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    #21

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:00 AM

    Well we could tax us all to death and watch the economy further decline. Or we can control spending and wait for the next economic upturn .The additional revenues would eventually balance the budget.

    Obama wants to both tax us to death and increase spending . That is not a recipe to fiscal responsibility.
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It appears that there is a large grassroots movement that supports Obama and his ideas. How is that bad for a country?
    ??
    Being "large grassroots" has nothing to do with what's good, right or true.
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    #23

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    ???
    Being "large grassroots" has nothing to do with what's good, right or true.
    Having a populace that agrees with you will get you to the white house and reinforces that your plans are indeed valued. But tell me, what do you think is the measuring stick for what's good, right or true?
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:05 AM
    Greek columns and a faux Oval Office .yeah that's the ticket !

    Cost of infomercial $3million

    Cost of media coverage of Obama: Priceless
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    #25

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NK
    Having a populace that agrees with you will get you to the white house and reinforces that your plans are indeed valued. But tell me, what do you think is the measuring stick for what's good, right or true?
    I don't have a measuring stick.

    The populace of Germany agreed to allow Hitler to be their dictator... so did that make it right?

    No, I'm not calling Obama Hitlerish...
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:09 AM

    It is becoming increasingly clear that at least where financing is concerned... it is a global grass-roots movement.
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    #27

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:09 AM
    Well done Rick!
    Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Well done Rick!
    Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I don't see that in Rick's post. Madonna on the other hand...
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    #30

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    Tis sad, imho, that folk feel this way. No, people who object to Obama's socialist agenda are not "blind".

    Admitedly, I'm not happy with Reps either. Our government is way too big as it is - and too often tells us what is right for us.

    ...I'm not ready for FDR all over again :(
    You are right on. I can't stand the Bush administration. This country is screwed up almost beyond recognition. Patriot Act=government power. We need to take it back. Osama Obama is not the answer. Is it me or does it seem that this whole election thing seems to be a farce anyway. Seems to me that the media has primed us for an Obama admin.
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    #31

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NK
    Well done Rick!
    :)
    Thank you for the kind words.

    Need, really: I know you are a wise and smart person and one who cares about people... but not living here and experiencing how the BSPolitics effects Joe Six Pack (me and, I presume, you), I fear you are missing much.

    In short, I see Obama as the new FDR... and I bet that Canadians learn that FDR was one of the great Presidents.

    Call me a fanatic, but history books treat FDR far too well.

    ...

    Disclaimer/Reminder: Except for posts related to site administration, my posts are mine and mine alone. They may or may not be those of the site owner(s). :)
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by XxRoosterXx View Post
    Osama Obama
    Classy.
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    #33

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Having a populace that agrees with you will get you to the white house and reinforces that your plans are indeed valued. But tell me, what do you think is the measuring stick for what's good, right or true?
    Sorry I don't agree. Now days it's fairly easy to get popular. Just have to control the media. Once you have the media on your side you can sway the people anyway you choose. American people are mostly sheep imo. They hear the same thing over and over again and start to believe it. That's because if they had their own opinion it would mean that they would have to think. American people don't want to think. They want to be told what to think. They want to continue to live their lives, spend their money to keep up with their neighbors and let someone else worry about the problems. Look at our unions for proof. Declining memberships because we don't want to personally sacrifice. This is just my opinion and personal observation.
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    #34

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Capuchin View Post
    Classy.
    I'm sorry Cap, I will recant that. I have taken to calling him that for laughs around here but prob shouldn't have brought it over here.
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    #35

    Oct 30, 2008, 10:53 AM
    But it does give us insight into you.
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    Oct 30, 2008, 10:54 AM
    I see nothing wrong with it . Frankly the only reason I quit using my nicknames for him was that it was getting boring.
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    Oct 30, 2008, 11:23 AM
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    The infomercial cost less than $4M and there was only one. It was paid for out of campaign contributions (four of which were mine). And I am only one person who contributed who is thrilled at how well the Obama gang has wisely used the money we have given to it.

    Please read up on socialism and what that really means for us in this country. For decades, socialism has been a major part of the way our country works, N.B.: our efforts to create an egalitarian society.
    Oh yes Carol. Socialism is wonderful. Even Hitler thought so back in his day. 'Let's knock those rich Jews down and take their stuff. We deserve it as more than they do' So what if they were the ones who worked for it.

    How could anyone interested in this election NOT have read up on Socialism? Some are still around that remember living it... (no, not me)
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    #38

    Oct 30, 2008, 11:25 AM
    You know you've run out of lucid arguments when you compare someone to Hitler. :)
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    #39

    Oct 30, 2008, 11:32 AM

    NK. How can you be so valuable to your employers when all you do is stay on this site giving snippy comments all day long?
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    Oct 30, 2008, 11:35 AM
    - I work with web sites all day
    - I have several browsers open
    - I only write quick snippets as you mentioned
    - sometimes there a delay while some stuff I do updates at the other end, that's usually when I post
    - I am incredibly efficient

    Any other questions dear?
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