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stu77 · Oct 24, 2008, 01:49 PM

Hi, I have bought a motorcycle from eBay which I am assuming the seller does not have a clear title as he is not responding to questions about the VIN or title. The sellar has stated that he has a bill of sale from the lien holder. I think this probably means he bought the bike from a bank/finance company. Does anyone know how I obtain clear title for the bike. Unfortunately I cannot ship without a title document. Many thanks, Stu

cdad · Oct 24, 2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by stu77

Hi, i have bought a motorcycle from ebay which i am assuming the seller does not have a clear title as he is not responding to questions about the VIN or title. The sellar has stated that he has a bill of sale from the lien holder. I think this probably means he bought the bike from a bank/finance company. Does anyone know how i obtain clear title for the bike. Unfortunately i cannot ship without a title document. Many thanks, Stu

Mostly its going to depend on the state its coming from. The lien holder often isn't a bank at all but a repair shop that held the item with a mechanics lien on it. It can also be due to storage fees too. A bank / finance company could show clear title because the would hold the reposession papers making the item their belonging.

Lets hope you get some answers.

stu77 · Oct 24, 2008, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Mostly its going to depend on the state its coming from. The lien holder often isnt a bank at all but a repair shop that held the item with a mechanics lien on it. It can also be due to storage fees too. A bank / finance company could show clear title because the would hold the reposession papers making the item thier belonging.

Lets hope you get some answers.

Thanks for your info. I'm in the UK so I'm a bit at the mercy of the mysteriously quiet selller. Bike is in Texas and I have contacted the TxDOT, but unfortunately to get a Title I need a State or US issued id. I will transport bike into storage but I got a funny feeling the bike hasn't got a VIN. I'm gutted because exporting is usually a very straight forward deal (with honest parties). I guess the bike is going to have to go back on eBay and I stomach the transport and storage charges. My only concern is that I can't legally sell the bike because I now won't have title?

cdad · Oct 24, 2008, 03:11 PM

Actually can't you just register it in your home country. And when it arrives it can be verified ? Or does it need title before it enters into customs ? ( I think that's your worry )

Also since you bought it.. and paid for it I assume. Then who is holding the current paperwork on it ?

Also if your worried about it you might be able to ask the local police from where the motorcycle currently is to run the numbers for you. If its stolen or been used in the commission of a crime they will tell you. ( only problem is they might impound it if either of those things are found )

cdad · Oct 24, 2008, 03:16 PM

Yet another thing if you have the VIN is :

Vehicle History Reports - VIN Number Used Car History Records - DMV.ORG

From Texas DMV website

Buyer: Avoid unwanted surprises about your purchase by having the seller accompany you to the county tax office. Before you submit the title application, a tax office representative can tell you if the title being signed over to you is correct and if it has any legal or salvage issues.

If you buy your vehicle from a dealer, the dealer is required to file the title papers on your behalf, so you will not have to visit the tax office. Make sure the dealer provides you with a receipt showing the vehicle has been titled in your name within 20 working days.

http://www.dmv-department-of-motor-v...r_vehicles.htm

If that person was a dealer then they are required by law to change the title for you.

Fr_Chuck · Oct 24, 2008, 05:03 PM

The bike will have a VIN stamped on it of course, so getting theVIN number is just a matter of looking at the bike.

In TX unless he has a clear title, he can not legally sell the bike,
And no if he paid off the loan, he would have gotten the title, and if he lost the title, he would have to go and get a replacement.

stu77 · Oct 25, 2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Actually can't you just register it in your home country. And when it arrives it can be verified ? Or does it need title before it enters into customs ? ( I think thats your worry )

Also since you bought it .. and paid for it I assume. Then who is holding the current paperwork on it ?

Also if your worried about it you might be able to ask the local police from where the motorcycle currently is to run the numbers for you. If its stolen or been used in the commission of a crime they will tell you. ( only problem is they might impound it if either of those things are found )

Thanks for you help Califdadof3. Yes unfortunately the US customs need clear title in order to export. Additionally my shippers in Houston won't touch the bike until ownership is documented or there is a letterof authority from the "lien" holder that they have no interest in the bike. My assumption is that the seller has bought the bike from someone who is owed money on it. The first party probably still has a title. All a bit difficult without the seller communicating. Many thanks, Stu