[Tj3]

Yes I did read the link Tommy.

Good - the way that you are talking, it did not sound like you did.

[Credendovidis]

Yes I did read the link Tommy. And I tried to find that by you claimed evidence, but it was not there.
Why can't you simply in a few lines post what specific evidence (based on what you think) is there to be found and where?

Good - the way that you are talking, it did not sound like you did.

Let me repeat what I stated earlier referring to your link and your claim involved in that link :

"The link you provided indicates that all you can show in your claimed support for God's existence (idea B) are some queries on evolution - an entire different subject (idea A).

... I'm sorry to see that you still fail the understanding that the (claimed) lack of proof for evolution (idea A) is not proof for the correctness of your religious views (idea B).
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Please note that I clearly refer in this respect to the topic "Objective Supported Evidence for "God's" existence ?", in which you repeatedly tried to "prove" God's existence NOT by providing OSE for God's existence, but by questioning several evolution queries...

So once more I ask you : Why can't you simply in a few lines post what specific evidence (based on what you think) is there to be found in that link and where? (just state post number).

Once you have done that, we can discuss again the claim in this topic : that certain persons can "know" (as in proof) that God exist.

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[Tj3]

Let me repeat what I stated earlier referring to your link and your claim involved in that link :

[B]"[I]The link you provided indicates that all you can show in your claimed support for God's existence (idea B) are some queries on evolution - an entire different subject (idea A).

I was not arguing evolution nor making inquiries on it, though you and your friends seemed to think it was important and kept bringing it up. I was speaking of any natural alternative, and it appears that you and your friends have identified evolution as the only natural alternative. And was not saying that lack of eviodence for for anything was proof of anything else.

This was explained to you many times, but perhaps you lack of understanding on this key point is why you have so mcuh difficulty understanding the truth of God's existence.

Just to help you, here is the link once again:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ce-271164.html

[talaniman]

The link is invalid, now what?

[Credendovidis]

... I was speaking of any natural alternative, and it appears that you and your friends have identified evolution as the only natural alternative. And was not saying that lack of eviodence for for anything was proof of anything else.

Alternative? Alternative to WHAT? The topic was "Objective Supported Evidence for "God's" existence ?" Not "proof for the theory of evolution" !

As to the Theory of Evolution : I have never denied that there are gaps in the theory, but given time more and more gaps are filled in with OSE and/or proper supported explanations. It is a sound scientific theory, backed up with loads of support.

As to the BELIEF in one or more deities : there simply is no OSE for "God's" existence : it is a BELIEF !

So you refer now to an alternative for a wild religious claim that has not a single iota of OSE support.
So your views are not realistic, and are more of a delusional claim by a fanatic religious fundamentalist.

This was explained to you many times, but perhaps you lack of understanding on this key point is why you have so mcuh difficulty understanding the truth of God's existence.

Not really : you indeed made that unsupported statement many times. But from a realistic point of view it was not an explanation at all. It was nothing more than a nonsensical statement lacking any realism and sense of reality : you showed that you lack any sense in the fields of logic and argumentation.

I never stated that your "God" does not exist. All I stated is that the wild religious claim of existence of one or more deities is based on nothing more than hot air - totally failing any support process other than BELIEF.

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And to return to this topic again : what I stated above is why the claim that someone "knows" that "God" exists carries no validity.
Yes you can and may BELIEVE in the existence of one or more deities.
And you can "know" (in the sense of feeling and experiencing) the existence of one or more deities.
But nobody in his or her right mind "knows" (in the sense of OSE) that "God" exists.

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[Galveston1]

Yes Galveston I posted two topics on Bible contradictions.
No Galveston : I have NOT done that without supporting data.
One topic had some 50 lines of proof, another one had over 100+ lines of proof.
And I have already informed you about that now already twice !
That you are too lazy to search for these topics yourself is not my problem.
I feel no need to do that for you.

Merry Christmas, Galveston !

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I didn't ask you for 100+ scripture references, only one. I don't know how to locate what you refer to, and I don't have the time or inclination to waste, as I expect I would find a link to some atheist web site.

So, if you have so many contradictions, you shouldn't have trouble posting one or two.

Merry Christmas to you too. (sincerely)

[Credendovidis]

I didn't ask you for 100+ scripture references, only one....

For the third time : search this same Religious Discussions Board for these topics !

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[Tj3]

The link is invalid, now what?

Try here:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ce-271164.html

[Tj3]

Alternative? Alternative to WHAT? The topic was "Objective Supported Evidence for "God's" existence ?" Not "proof for the theory of evolution" !

And the only people bringing up evolution were the atheists. Just like we see here. Here is the link:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ce-271164.html

[marriaget]

*sigh* this is ridiculous.

I know god is real? <- wt*

Like common, that is ridiculous.
I'm not saying I'm an atheist, I just question things, and am not religious... I just hope there is some sort of heaven and afterlife thing and etc etc.

Not all people that question god and stuff are atheists.

If there was true proof that there is god, it would be all over the news and world and the world would truly go insane. (idk kidding kinda)

It is a belief... you believe there is a god, you don't know 100% fact.

[marriaget]

Who made god, how does the space go on forever? Whe can't understand these things... look up the big bang theory it's cool... anways.

Accept it's a belief not a fact.

[Tj3]

If there was true proof that there is god, it would be all over the news and world and the world would truly go insane. (idk kidding kinda)

The proof is there, but as we see on here, even when a thread of over 500 posts provides a small bit of the massive amount of evidence, a few folk simply don't want to even acknowledge it.

[hiddencat12]

:eek:

Ok lets start by choosing which god. There are hundreds of gods out there but lets take yahweh the christian tribal god as an example.
Who's to say that by beliving in something we don't make it exist.

If we use the Karl R. Popper's classical method of reasoning know as modus ponens
Then god is real by definition and therfore self authenticating.

The definition of God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.
It is greater to exist in relaity than in the mind alone.
Therefore God must exist in both the mind and reality.

Few know that the progress of science no longer depends primarily upon this method, but on the less familiar form known as modus tolens, which goes like this

If humans did't create the earth then something else must have
Humand didn't create the earth and god is something else
Therefore god created the earth.

Hope that helps

[michealb]

The proof is there, but as we see on here, even when a thread of over 500 posts provides a small bit of the massive amount of evidence, a few folk simply don't want to even acknowledge it.

Yes 500 posts of you posting things and everyone else telling you that you don't know what your talking about proves god.

As I've stated TJ3 your logic follows the same logic as the guy on the street corner that thinks gerbils are trying to take over the world. He has all of this evidence that he is certain proves his point however it doesn't follow standard reasoning. It is also pointless to argue with him because no matter what you tell him, his evidence is proof and no amount of real evidence is going to convince him that he is wrong.