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    Qurrat Baig Posts: 1, Reputation: 1
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    Sep 19, 2008, 11:53 AM
    Quranic point of view about darbars
    I am final year engineering student. In my Institute there are so many people (including me) who are confused about Islamic point of view about darbar's and olias like data ganj Baksh, Shahbaz qalandar and all.

    Common questions are why don't we ask directly from Allah? Is this forbidden in Islam to visit darbars and pray to God through olias?

    In some sects people say that when somebody dies there should not be any khtam like qull, chaleeswan as Prophet never practice when suhaba died
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    Sep 19, 2008, 02:27 PM
    Hi, Qurrat Baig!

    Greetings and WELCOME to the site! I just moved your question that you had posted in Introductions to this topic area so that it would get the most exposure to those who are best able to answer it. Introductions is for people to introduce themselves and we try to not ask questions there.

    We would appreciate it if you would return to Introductions sometime to tell us a little about yourself though, if you would be willing to do that.

    Thanks!
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    Sep 20, 2008, 09:01 AM
    Assalaam alaikum,
    Sorry,but I do not understand the terms khtam,qull,chaleeswan etc,if you could explain the terms,maybe I could help you further.

    Following are information taken from the link(given above each information),they are regarding praying through auliya,dead or alive.

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    Islam Question and Answer - Kinds of Tawassul

    What is meant by tawassul and waseelah is four things:

    The kind of tawassul without which faith cannot be complete, which is seeking to reach Allaah (tawassul) by believing in Him and His Messengers, and obeying Him and His Messenger, This is what is meant in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O you who believe! Do your duty to Allaah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him…”

    [al-Maa'idah 5:35]

    This includes seeking to approach Allaah through His Names and Attributes, or by doing acts of obedience and worship by which one seeks to approach Allaah, and so on.

    Seeking to approach Allaah by asking His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to make du'a' for one during his lifetime, and the believers asking one another to make du'aa' for one another. This follows on from the first type and is encouraged.

    Seeking to approach Allaah by virtue of the status and virtues of some created being, such as saying, “O Allaah, I ask You by virtue of Your Prophet” and so on. This is allowed by some of the 'ulama', but this opinion is da'eef (weak). The correct view is that it is definitely haraam, because there can be no tawassul in du'aa' except by virtue of the Names and Attributes of Allaah.

    Tawassul as it is understood by many of the Muslims of later times, which is calling on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and seeking his help (or seeking the help of the dead and so-called awliya'). This is a form of major shirk, because calling on or seeking help from anyone other than Allaah with regard to something that that only Allaah is able to do is a kind of worship, and directing worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah is major shirk. And Allaah knows best.
    Islam Q&A
    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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    Islam Question and Answer - She is confused about which groups and sects are telling the truth
    Anyone who examines the groups that have deviated from the Straight Path will see that they have confused the people by quoting a verse or a hadeeth out of context, so that people think that they are following the Qur'aan and Sunnah, but they cannot prove that this is the way in which the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) understood these texts.

    Those who distort the attributes of Allaah, those who worship graves and circumambulate them, those who dance in dhikr, those who deny the divine will and decree (al-qadar), those who say that the Qur'aan was created, and other deviant beliefs and ways, none of them claim that his belief is the same as the belief of the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Even if they claim that they have a verse or hadeeth to support them, they cannot prove that their interpretation is the same as that of those who witnessed the revelations and heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), namely the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them).
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    Islam Question and Answer - Tawassul: Islamic vs. bid'ah
    Tawassul that is bid'ah and therefore forbidden:

    This is the attempt to draw close to Allaah by means of things that He does not like and that do not please Him, whether they be words, deeds or beliefs. One example of this is trying to draw close to Allaah by calling on the dead or people who are absent, asking them for help, and so on. This is a form of major shirk (shirk akbar), which goes against Tawheed and means that a person is no longer considered to be a Muslim. Calling upon Allaah, whether it is for a purpose such as asking Him to grant some benefit or to ward off some harm, or as an act of worship to express humility and submission before Him, can only be addressed directly to Allaah. If du'aa's or prayers are addressed to anything or anyone else, this is shirk. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And your Lord said: 'Invoke Me (and ask Me for anything), I will respond to your invocation. Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me and do not believe in My Oneness], they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!” [Ghaafir 40:60]. In this aayah, Allaah explains the punishment of those who arrogantly refuse to call on Allaah, whether they call on someone other than Allaah or they do not call on Him at all, out of pride and self-admiration, even if they do not call on anyone else.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret…” [al-A'raaf 7:55]. Allaah commands His slaves to call on Him and not anyone else.

    Allaah says of the people of Hell (interpretation of the meaning): “[They say:] 'By Allaah, we were truly in a manifest error when we held you (false gods) as equals (in worship) with the Lord of the Worlds.” [al-Shu'ara' 26:96-97]
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    Islam Question and Answer - Characteristics of the Victorious Group: Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah

    Hope the above information is helpful to you.

    Wa alaikum salaam
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    Sep 20, 2008, 09:30 AM
    Assalaam alaikum,
    Some more information regarding Auliya-

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    Islam Question and Answer - Sufi formulas and bid’ah
    Praise be to Allaah.

    1. Allaah described His awliyaa’ (close friends) as having two characteristics: Eemaan (faith) and Taqwa (piety, awareness of Allaah). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “No doubt! Verily, the Awliyaa’ of Allaah [i.e. those who believe in the Oneness of Allaah and fear Allaah much and love Allaah much], nor fear shall be upon them nor shall they grieve, - those who believe (in the Oneness of Allaah) and used to fear Allaah much” [Yoonus 10:62-63]

    2. The true awliyaa’ of Allaah do not go against what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against innovated matters in religion, because Allaah has perfected His religion and completed His favour upon His slaves. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3].

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e. Islam] that is not a part of it, will have it rejected.”

    3. Therefore one can distinguish between the walee (close friend) of Allaah and the walee of the Shaytaan, by looking at the person’s character, behaviour and religious commitment – does he pray regularly in jamaa’ah in the mosque, for example? Does he avoid wrongfully consuming people’s property? Does he avoid going against Islam by either adding or taking away anything? And so on…

    4. It is not permissible for a Muslim to innovate any dhikr to recite regularly or to tell others to do so – such as awraad/wird, ma’thooraat or du’aas. The adhkaar that were reported in the saheeh Sunnah are sufficient for this, otherwise a person is an innovator or one who calls others to bid’ah. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e. Islam] that is not a part of it, will have it rejected.” (Narrated by Al-Bukhaari, 2550; Muslim, 1718). According to a report narrated by Muslim: “Whoever does any action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) will have it rejected.”

    Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “This hadeeth represents one of the most important principles in Islam. It is like a scale against which the external appearances of deeds are measured, just as the hadeeth “Actions are but by intention” is the scale against which the inner motivations of actions are measured. Just as every deed which is not done for the sake of Allaah will bring no reward for the one who does it, so also every deed which is not in accordance with the way of Allaah and His Messenger will be rejected and thrown back at the one who does it. Anyone who innovates new things in the religion and does things for which Allaah and His Messenger have not granted permission, this is not a part of the religion at all.” (Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, 1/180).

    Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “This hadeeth is one of the most important basic principles of Islam, and it is one of the most concise and comprehensive sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It clearly states that innovations and newly invented matters will be rejected. The second report adds another idea, which is that some of those who follow the innovations of others may become stubborn when they are presented with the evidence of the first report which says, “Whoever innovates something…” They may say, “I am not innovating anything”. But he may in this case be presented with the evidence of the second report, which says, “Whoever does any action…” This clearly shows that all innovated actions will be rejected, whether the one who does them innovates them himself or is following someone else who innovated it… This hadeeth is one that should be learned by heart and used to denounce evil actions and be spread as evidence so that all people may use it.” (Sharh Muslim, 12/16).

    5. Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “No doubt adhkaar and du’aa’s are among the best forms of worship, and worship is one of the matters in which there is no room for personal opinions – we have to follow what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did and taught, not our own whims and desires or innovations. The du’aa’s and adhkaar of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) are the best that anyone could find. The one who follows this way will be safe and sound, and the benefits and positive results that he will gain are beyond description. Any other du’aa’s and adhkaar may be haraam or they may be makrooh; they may involve shirk even though most people do not realize that – the details of this would take too long to explain here.

    No one has the right to teach the people any kinds of du’aa’s or adhkaar apart from those that are mentioned in the Sunnah, or to make it a kind of regular worship which he expects the people to do regularly as they do the five daily prayers – this is the innovation in religion which Allaah does not allow… As for adopting a wird or regularly reciting a dhikr that is not prescribed in sharee’ah, this is one of the things that is not allowed. The du’aa’s and adhkaar prescribed by sharee’ah are the best that anyone could ever hope to find, and no one ignores them in favour of newly-invented, innovated adhkaar except one who is ignorant, negligent or a wrongdoer.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/510-511).

    And Allaah knows best.
    Islam Q&A
    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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    Islam Question and Answer - Question about a strange Sufi way of worship
    Islam Question and Answer - Are the Sufi shaykhs really in contact with Allaah?

    Wa alaikum salaam

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