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    Sep 3, 2008, 05:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3
    It does not appear that Christopher is a Catholic so let's not bring denominationalism into this.
    I was baptised Catholic when I was a baby, but not by my own choice.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 08:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    I was baptised Catholic when i was a baby, but not by my own choice.
    Have you repudiated your Catholic faith?
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    Sep 5, 2008, 11:06 AM
    Catholic faith? I personally don't believe any church is correct.Finding God is through faith in Jesus,not a church.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 11:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    Catholic faith? I personally dont believe any church is correct.Finding God is through faith in Jesus,not a church.
    You have to go through Jesus Christ, not some religious organization.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 12:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    Catholic faith? I personally dont believe any church is correct.Finding God is through faith in Jesus,not a church.
    That is correct. Jesus did not start a denomination.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 03:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    Catholic faith? I personally don't believe any church is correct.
    Doesn't that belief contradict Scripture?
    1 Timothy 3 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Finding God is through faith in Jesus,not a church.
    Why did Jesus establish a Church then? And why did Jesus give His Church the mandate to teach and to baptize if He didn't want people to come to faith through His Church?

    How do you get to faith in Jesus without the Church anyway?

    Sincerely,

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    Sep 5, 2008, 04:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    Doesn't that belief contradict Scripture?
    1 Timothy 3 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.



    Why did Jesus establish a Church then? And why did Jesus give His Church the mandate to teach and to baptize if He didn't want people to come to faith through His Church?

    How do you get to faith in Jesus without the Church anyway?

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    De Maria
    When Jesus referred to the"church" he was speaking of the body of believers , not a particular denomination.YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF GOD.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 05:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    When Jesus referred to the"church" he was speaking of the body of believers , not a particular denomination.
    If that is true, when Jesus said:
    Matthew 18 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

    Do we have to gather all the believers to fulfill that command? Or did He mean a particular Church?

    YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF GOD.
    Sure is. But how do you get to faith in Jesus without the Church?

    Sincerely,

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    Sep 5, 2008, 06:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    If that is true, when Jesus said:
    Matthew 18 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

    Do we have to gather all the believers to fulfill that command? Or did He mean a particular Church?



    Sure is. But how do you get to faith in Jesus without the Church?

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    De Maria
    Why would you need a church to have faith.To me needing a church to believe is a lack of faith.What is this church that you speak of?Catholic church?Its not mentioned in the Bible anywhere.Besides Jesus started Judaism, jewish religion.Catholic is latin which means universal.Catholic is gentile.surely this isn't the church you speak of?
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    Sep 6, 2008, 05:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    Sure is. But how do you get to faith in Jesus without the Church?
    How did the Apostle Paul?
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    Sep 6, 2008, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3
    How did the Apostle Paul?
    Paul was converted by Jesus Christ, Himself.

    But Paul then turned around and joined the Church. The first thing he did was to go and be baptized:
    Acts 9
    17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house. And laying his hands upon him, he said: Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus hath sent me, he that appeared to thee in the way as thou camest; that thou mayest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and rising up, he was baptized.

    Is this typical, or is Paul the exception to the rule? Were you knocked off your horse by Jesus Christ and then you became Christian? Or did a Christian preach to you, a Church member, perhaps even your mother or father and then you became Christian?

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    Sep 7, 2008, 06:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    Paul was converted by Jesus Christ, Himself.
    So He did not need your denomination or any other. That was the point.
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    Sep 7, 2008, 12:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3
    So He did not need your denomination or any other. That was the point.
    And he is the exception, that is the point. Were you knocked off a horse by Jesus Christ before you became a Christian? Yes or no.
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    Sep 7, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    And he is the exception, that is the point.
    That is your claim - but that is not what scripture says. This is the problem, you come up with these claims and just demand that we accept what you or your denomination says. I don't - I accept what the word of god says.
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    Sep 7, 2008, 12:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3
    That is your claim - but that is not what scripture says. This is the problem, you come up with these claims and just demand that we accept what you or your denomination says. I don't - I accept what the word of god says.
    Well since I wasn't knocked off a horse by Christ, I know there is at least one exception to the rule. I'm trying to find out if you were thus converted.

    Were you knocked off a horse by Christ? Yes or no?
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    Sep 8, 2008, 04:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    Well since I wasn't knocked off a horse by Christ, I know there is at least one exception to the rule.
    First you create the rule (scripture didn't) and then you claim that when scripture does not agree that there are exceptions to the rule.

    Yeah, right!
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