[Wondergirl]

A minister I know says "all nations" means "all people groups."

Wasn't there a tribe recently discovered in SA in the Amazon forests? I wonder how many other "people groups" are still undiscovered.

[N0help4u]

Nohelp4u : I suggest you start travelling than ....

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Okay I would love to travel more than anything and I suppose I should start where Wonder girl said.

[Wondergirl]

okay I would love to travel more than anything and I suppose I should start where Wonder girl said.

May I come along? I have two sons who will serve as carriers.

[N0help4u]

I'd love to just come and get me and we'll go!
My son would probably like to go too!

[Wondergirl]

I'd love to just come and get me and we'll go!
My son would probably like to go too!

Who else would like to go, do you think? Alty, Starby, Sneezy? (Yes, definitely Sneezy. It would be good to have a medical person with us.) Should I pack sunscreen? We'll be under all those leafy branches.

Just to stay with the OP, maybe the rapture will happen while we're there.

[N0help4u]

We taking Alty to ward off the Amazon creatures? :D I know with that whip of hers she would be the best one for that.
Sneezy might be too allergic!

[Wondergirl]

We taking Alty to ward off the Amazon creatures? :D I know with that whip of hers she would be the best one for that.
Sneezy might be too allergic!

Yes, definitely Alty!

I am a preacher's kid and former Christian school teacher. Do you or Alty have any interest in preaching? We could do some evangelical work while we're there (to help the End Times arrive faster). Maybe Pres. Bush would help us out financially--it'll be a faith-based initiative.

[N0help4u]

I would love to know how to get backing to do something like that.

[Credendovidis]

I would love to travel more than anything and I suppose I should start where Wonder girl said.

I'd love to just come and get me and we'll go! My son would probably like to go too!

I would love to know how to get backing to do something like that.

WHY ??? Just go ! Work locally where ever you go, to support yourself.
Did Jesus got any "backing" on his travels?

The reality is almost certain that you will never go : you are enslaved by that dream, that "American dream". By that insane demand for security in all ways of life, and that ridiculous need for more, more, and still more.

I went for an almost 30 years stay in the tropics, and - if I had the chance - I would do it again. If you want to fulfill your dreams, you must be willing to take risks.

Can you, will you, or is it all just empty talk ?

You COULD make a difference...

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[NeedKarma]

Traveling the world is the best you can do to open your eyes.

[N0help4u]

WHY ??? Just go ! Work locally where ever you go, to support yourself.
Did Jesus got any "backing" on his travels?

The reality is almost certain that you will never go : you are enslaved by that dream, that "American dream". By that insane demand for security in all ways of life, and that ridiculous need for more, more, and still more.

I went for an almost 30 years stay in the tropics, and - if I had the chance - I would do it again. If you want to fulfill your dreams, you must be willing to take risks.

Can you, will you, or is it all just empty talk ?

You COULD make a difference .................

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In Jesus day all it took to get anywhere was a donkey.
Now it takes money, transportation and gas to get anywhere. I have NONE of those!

[Wondergirl]

You COULD make a difference .................

And I am making a difference, right where I live. I personally don't have 30 years left in this life to spend traveling to other countries to help people. Maybe in the next lifetime... Meanwhile, I do what I can right now, right here. You all can too.

[NeedKarma]

Why 30 years? One year devoted to helping is more than what most people do - go for it!

[N0help4u]

Unfortunately the people that I help abuse what they do have.
Like you take them to get energy assistance so they can get their utilities turned on for the winter. Their kids leave all the upstairs windows open. The heat goes out the window.
You take them for diapers they cried they needed and all they buy is a carton of cigarettes.
You give them furniture they have it destroyed and in the trash in less than a month.
They buy beer and drugs with their food stamps and then cry their kids are starving.

[Wondergirl]

Unfortunately the people that I help abuse what they do have.
Like you take them to get energy assistance so they can get their utilities turned on for the winter. Their kids leave all the upstairs windows open. The heat goes out the window.
You take them for diapers they cried they needed and all they buy is a carton of cigarettes.
You give them furniture they have it destroyed and in the trash in less than a month.
They buy beer and drugs with their food stamps and then cry their kids are starving.

I know what you're sayin' -- even teaching them "to fish" doesn't always work. But the helping and the giving are positives for YOU more than it is for them.

It can also end up just the opposite. My church sponsored a Vietnamese refugee family back in the early '70s. We church members all pulled together for this family to find a house to rent, we painted and recarpeted it, we filled the kitchen with canned goods and the refrigerator with fresh produce and milk and eggs, we bought a used car, we sorted donated clothing. The family was exceedingly grateful and invited small groups over to help them practice English and even for dinner. The family joined the church and enrolled their children in our parochial school where they did well and eventually went on to successful careers. The parents worked hard too and finally were able to fulfill their American dream of owning what turned out to be a very successful Vietnamese restaurant. Some church members groaned, "How dare they make more money than we do!"

[Galveston1]

Fred, back to the OP. Are you saying that you don't think there will be a rapture, or that there will be one, but not for a long time?

[Wondergirl]

Fred, back to the OP. Are you saying that you don't think there will be a rapture, or that there will be one, but not for a long time?

His question was

Why do so many believe in the rature when the bible says otherwise?

so it sounds like he doesn't believe in one. I'm sure Fred will be along later to answer you himself.

[arcura]

Galveston1
I do not believe in the rapture as the Last Days books theorize it.
I do not believe in a separate secret return of Christ, I believe that there will be only one return and the world will see it happen not just some people taken and the rest left for the great tribulations.
Those books and the believers of the statements in them are predicting a very soon return of Jesus and there are millions of such believers expecting that; more so now than ever before.
That alone tells me it is far in the future.
Also there are events prophesied that have yet to be fulfilled.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[Credendovidis]

Dear Fred

I wonder why all these books, these statements, these expectations, and all that interest in the rapture is primarily originating from the US. I am well informed of what happens here in Europe in the religious field, but here? Nada, niente, nothing, nichts,!

What makes the US population so interested in that part of religion? Is it perhaps that they know they are one of the worlds worst abusers of natures richness and human resources - so caused by guilt? Or are they as nation extremely gullible to religion : why? Or is it the US capitalistic system that explores and misuses Christianity for it's last available penny in their quest for financial richness?

Peace and kindness,

John

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[arcura]

John,
Your hate for the USA is showing.
Fred