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Credendovidis · Aug 27, 2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

All these objections are valid if you are talking about Nostradamus or some psychic. They simply do not relate to references I gave.

Why not? Do you perhaps have OSE for the bible stories being anything more than myth? If so, can you please provide these details?

Originally Posted by Galveston1

And what an amazingly fast study you are

I once read the entire book and came to the conclusion from it's lack of any OSE that it is nothing but myth, mixed into some local historical heresay. Why waste time by studying that?

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N0help4u · Aug 27, 2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

And of course people I could have done a prophacy on Cred saying that ??

yeah FR_C and I would have said yes you can count on that for sure!!

Galveston I read the statistics in the 70's of one person being able to fulfull all the prophecies but I will have to look it up again.

Alty · Aug 27, 2008, 05:06 PM

Okay, first, I will admit I didn't look up all the scriptures that Galveston posted, because I don't believe that the bible is the word of God. I have also read the bible, heck, I've studied it cover to cover, many times, which is why I don't believe it's the word of God.

Having said that, the farmers almanac is also very good at predicting future events, I'm pretty sure that God didn't write it either.;)

Credendovidis · Aug 28, 2008, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

... the farmers almanac is also very good at predicting future events, I'm pretty sure that God didn't write it either

As far as I know God didn't write him/herself anything ever.
Neither the almanac nor the bible are very good at predicting anyway !

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wildandblue · Aug 28, 2008, 12:03 PM

Look, we are talking about Jesus here. Jesus was born a Jew and He studied the Hebrew scriptures. John the Baptist was his cousin, also a Jew. It would have been no difficult feat for Him to act out the prophesies He had read about since He was a small child, no different than a child acting out a scene from a book you have read him. The other prophesies deal with Jewish law so them being carried out according to Law is no surprise either. The basic question is, did Jesus believe He was the son of God? There is ample evidence that He did. Then, do I myself believe He was the son of God? That is what our faith in Him is alll about.

Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by wildandblue

Look, we are talking about Jesus here. Jesus was born a Jew and He studied the Hebrew scriptures. John the Baptist was his cousin, also a Jew. It would have been no difficult feat for Him to act out the prophesies He had read about since He was a small child, no different than a child acting out a scene from a book you have read him. The other prophesies deal with Jewish law so them being carried out according to Law is no suprise either. The basic question is, did Jesus believe He was the son of God? There is ample evidence that He did. Then, do I myself believe He was the son of God? That is what our faith in Him is alll about.

It is really tough to predict how long you will be in a tomb. I ask you, did you read the references?

Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

As far as I know God didn't write him/herself anything ever.
Neither the almanac nor the bible are very good at predicting anyway !

:>)

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All this persistent, pathological, pernicious, purveyance of poop leaves me aboslutely in-cred-ulous.

michealb · Aug 28, 2008, 05:19 PM

You still haven't given any evidence that these so called scholars used to put together the bible. If this was done like you said it was why are you so reluctant to give it, if you say it was done already. Is it perhaps because the only evidence for the unbelievable sections of the bible is the bible its self.

Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

You still haven't given any evidence that these so called scholars used to put together the bible. If this was done like you said it was why are you so reluctant to give it, if you say it was done already. Is it perhaps because the only evidence for the unbelievable sections of the bible is the bible its self.

You're kidding, right? To do what you seem to demand would be voluminous, and I don't have the time to research and put together that much material for someone who would not read it. I'm sure that there are web sites that have it all there for the looking. Help yourself. And you still haven't read the references yet, have you? I'll be happy to explain how to look them up, if you like.

Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Okay, first, I will admit I didn't look up all the scriptures that Galveston posted, because I don't believe that the bible is the word of God. I have also read the bible, heck, I've studied it cover to cover, many times, which is why I don't believe it's the word of God.

Having said that, the farmers almanac is also very good at predicting future events, I'm pretty sure that God didn't write it either.;)

Pardon me if I question your Biblical scholarship. There is no way to explain how events centuries in the future were written other than by foreknowledge.

Alty · Aug 28, 2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Pardon me if I question your Biblical scholarship. There is no way to explain how events centuries in the future were written other than by foreknowledge.

I went to Catholic school for 10 years, trust me, the bible was shoved down my throat to the point that I wanted to gag, in fact I think I did.

As for predicting the future, yes, vaguely, I can do that as well, so can you. If you don't pinpoint specific dates, are very vague, then there is a chance that what you predict will come true.

If you really want me to believe that the bible is fact, then show me one quote from the bible predicting something with an actual date and the precise event.

I believe in God, but not the bible. Sorry Galveston, I'd love for this to be proof that God exists, but it isn't. You choose to believe that the bible is the word of God, perhaps because you were raised that way, or you read it and had a profound reaction, or through church, whatever the case may be. I choose to believe that the bible was written by man, with no help whatsoever from God. It's an interesting read, but fact? I don't think so.

Credendovidis · Aug 28, 2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

All this persistent, pathological, pernicious, purveyance of poop .....

It's quite funny to see you reacting here with precisely the same stuff and emptiness you are posting "ad nauseum" at the Political Discussions Board.

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Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

It's quite funny to see you reacting here with precisely the same stuff and emptiness you are posting "ad nauseum" at the Political Discussions Board.

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No good answer, huh? Don't get discouraged, it happens sometimes.

Galveston1 · Aug 28, 2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

I went to Catholic school for 10 years, trust me, the bible was shoved down my throat to the point that I wanted to gag, in fact I think I did.

As for predicting the future, yes, vaguely, I can do that as well, so can you. If you don't pinpoint specific dates, are very vague, then there is a chance that what you predict will come true.

If you really want me to believe that the bible is fact, then show me one quote from the bible predicting something with an actual date and the precise event.

I believe in God, but not the bible. Sorry Galveston, I'd love for this to be proof that God exists, but it isn't. You choose to believe that the bible is the word of God, perhaps because you were raised that way, or you read it and had a profound reaction, or through church, whatever the case may be. I choose to believe that the bible was written by man, with no help whatsoever from God. It's an interesting read, but fact? I don't think so.

Precise events is EXACTLY the point of my OP. You still haven't read the references, or you would not have made that statement.

Credendovidis · Aug 28, 2008, 07:22 PM

Re. Your reaction to Altenweg :

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Precise events is EXACTLY the point of my OP. You still haven't read the references, or you would not have made that statement.

Why can't you just accept that other people believe different than you do, and never-the-less their belief carries the same validity as yours ?
So Altenweg believes in God without the Christian "hocus pocus".

SO WHAT ??? WHY NOT ???

You can not prove using OSE that your views are "the one and only truth". All you have is BELIEF.

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michealb · Aug 29, 2008, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

You're kidding, right? To do what you seem to demand would be voluminous, and I don't have the time to research and put together that much material for someone who would not read it. I'm sure that there are web sites that have it all there for the looking. Help yourself. And you still haven't read the references yet, have you? I'll be happy to explain how to look them up, if you like.

The point is you say this research has already been done, yet have no proof of it being done. You take it on faith that it was done. The truth is that it wasn't, that there is no evidence other than the bible for the supernatural portions of the bible.

Galveston1 · Aug 29, 2008, 10:52 AM

And there you have it, folks. The Bible bashers demand proof that the Bible is anything more than fiction. When proof is offered, they will not even read it. Then they demand proof of the proof, which would then be rejected with the demand for more proof.
I didn't post this to change their minds, it was posted to EXPOSE their shallow unwillingness to even consider anything supernatural. The next time the wrecking crew shows up on your thread, just remember how they danced around any actual discussion. Oh, and guys, thanks for helping me with this illustration.
Finis!

NeedKarma · Aug 29, 2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

When proof is offered,

Your proof is called circular logic: the proof the bible is true is in the bible.

jillianleab · Aug 29, 2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

And there you have it, folks. The Bible bashers demand proof that the Bible is anything more than fiction. When proof is offered, they will not even read it. Then they demand proof of the proof, which would then be rejected with the demand for more proof.
I didn't post this to change their minds, it was posted to EXPOSE their shallow unwillingness to even consider anything supernatural. The next time the wrecking crew shows up on your thread, just remember how they danced around any actual discussion. Oh, and guys, thanks for helping me with this illustration.
Finis!

How very Christ-like of you! You, sir, are a model Christian!

:rolleyes:

Alty · Aug 29, 2008, 04:19 PM

Firstly, Galveston, your attitude is yet another reason I don't go to church or read the bible. It's people like you I've dealt with my entire life, and I'm done.

So, we are shallow, unwilling, not willing to consider anything supernatural. I do believe in God, why does that automatically mean that I have to accept the bible? It's a man written book, men are and always will be fallible. The bible is proof of nothing. If I wrote a book and in the book I predict something and then later wrote that my prediction came true, would you believe me? Of course not, you'd want proof.

I don't need proof that God exists, I believe that he does, and until someone can prove that he doesn't, I will believe, it's my God given right! But the bible, no, I've read it, over and over and over again, it's not proof of anything.

We tried to discuss things, but when I came and told you why I don't believe, you poo pooed all over me, just like the Christians I went to school with.

Do you honestly think that we are going to look up all the quotes that you posted? Come one, I have a life, kids, a husband, a household to run, I don't have that kind of time, nor am I willing to waste that kind of time on bible quotes. I say again, I've read it, and that's why I don't believe it.

So, I'll just take my shallow unwilling self and keep believing in my God, because obviously he's a different God then the one you believe in.

Wow, just when I think I might have judged the Christians of my youth too harshly...