[NeedKarma]

So the situation resolved itself completely? Without any action on your part at your place of work?

[Starman]

To believe that one should marry a woman to servcie his impulses is ludicrous to me.

The Bible doesn't teach men to look at women as mere sexual objects.
That idea is yours not the Bible's.

Proverbs 18:22
Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

Ephesians 5:28
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

[NeedKarma]

The Bible doesn't teach men to look at women as mere sexual objects.
That idea is yours not the Bible's.

But you said earlier:
"The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws "

So tell me: how is the wife supposed to solve the temptation to sin which in this case is masturbation?

[Starman]

So the situation resolved itself completely? Without any action on your part at your place of work?

As it turned out the person persecuting me distracted me in such a way that I caught my finger in the kickpress and had to take two weeks off. When I came back after the two week layoff, I found the fellow speaking in a high nasal tone and with cotton stuffed into his nose. He welcomed me back effusively and praised me for not being a violent person.

What happened was that this fellow, the foreman who had been persecuting me, began to treat another man who had been recently hired the same way. However, this man was not a Christian and when push came to shove he simply hauled back and broke the fellow's nose.

Which explained the high-pitched nasal tone and the cotton.

But you said earlier:
"The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws "

So tell me: how is the wife supposed to solve the temptation to sin which in this case is masturbation?

I wasn't aware that we were dealing with a married person. Where in her question does she reveal this? In any case, scriptures illuminate scriptures. Please notice that the scriptures which tell husbands to respect and love their wives are written by Paul as well. So accusing Paul of saying that a woman should be merely a sex object is not supported by scripture but only shows that we are isolating scripture and giving it our own twist.

BTW
Men who masturbate are viewing women as mere sex objects and committing fornication in their minds, Something that Jesus specifically said we should not do.


Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


In contrast Jesus spoke of marriage as OK.

Matthew 19:5
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

The OT and Paul agree:

'Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Ephesians 5:31
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.


Sex within marriage is approved.

Proverbs 5:18-20 (King James Version)

18Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

19Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

20And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?








KJV

[valinors_sorrow]

Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
Might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought?. shrugs :D

[Curlyben]

Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction ... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought? ...shrugs :D

Well said Val, could we please get back to the question in hand !

[NeedKarma]

Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction ... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought? ...shrugs :D

We are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?

[talaniman]

I do not believe his addiction is from sexual tension nor is marriage the solution. Most addictions come from bad choices that over-rule common sense and the pattern has to be broken and new patterns must be undertaken. This is something that the addicted person must be willing to undertake and go through the process of empowering himself to dealing with the addiction. As far as marrying to alleviate this problem,well I can only say that addictions can destroy lives marriages and relationships so I think that would be VERY bad advice for a sex addict to get married and expect his addiction to be cured, rather I think the spouse would be under undo pressure to meet the demands of the addict ,even if she where an addict herself. They would both end up needing (professional)help. The solution to the problem is to seek out an addiction specialist.:cool:

[Starman]

All my posts about this subject have been either directly or indirectly relevant to it.
If my usage of the Bible to give advice annoys then not reading my posts is a solution.

We are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?

The scripture I sited was referring to normal sexual desire and not specifically to a masturbation addiction. I offerred it up as a viable solution if the cause of the addiction is due to unsatisfied sexual desire. If the habit is due to other psychological causes then obviously the solution would not work since the problem would follow the person into the marriage arrangement.

I thought that the meaning would be clear from the word "burn" which means burning from desire in that context.

BTW
If the person involved is of normal intelligence he should know if the scriptural advice is applicable to his situation or not. If it is, he will use the advice. If it isn't, he will; reject the advice.

[Krs]

All my posts about this subject have been either directly or indirectly relevant to it.
But if there is a problem why not take t to administration instead of cluttering the forum with gripes?


BTW
If my usage of the Bible to give advice annoys you, then not reading my posts is a solution.

The main issue is not your advice but the way you may always impose the bible quotes when giving advice, as you may realise not everyone is religious. Although I am I can say that I don't always want to take quotes from the bible.

Then saying that we should not read your posts is a solution... well that's a very selfish one at that especially if its in a thread where anyone has originally posted! Right?

[valinors_sorrow]

I have posted new thread in member discussion that is entitled "Topic Changing Threads" and I invite all of us to continue there with the debate about how to either solve this problem or anything else that comes forward. I am hoping we can all consider it Part II of this very thread?

[Starman]

We are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?

Thanks for clarifying this!

The main issue is not your advice but the way you may always impose the bible quotes when giving advice, as you may realise not everyone is religious. Although i am i can say that i dont always want to take quotes from the bible.

Then saying that we should not read your posts is a solution .... well thats a very selfish one at that especially if its in a thread where anyone has originally posted!! right?!

Sorry you consider offering of biblically based advice as an imposition.
It was meant only as a source of guidance for a person who asked for help.
Of course not everyone is religious. But everyone is a human being and biblical advice is applicable to all human moral problems. You don't always use biblical quotes. That's perfectly OK. Please grant those who do wish to use biblical quotes the same consideration. About not reading my posts, I would prefer that you do, It is only as a reaction to your protests that I offer the solution of not reading them. Only informing you of your options. Not selfish at all.

I have posted new thread in member discussion that is entitled "Topic Changing Threads" and I invite all of us to continue there with the debate about how to either solve this problem or anything else that comes forward. I am hoping we can all consider it Part II of this very thread?

Offering of relevant scripturally based advice does not constitute deviation from the topic. Neither does clarification of misunderstandings of such advice or the answering of questions in relation to that relevant advice.

BTW
Nothing else will come forward since I am not here to debate.
I will simply try to continue answering questions as usual and stay out of your way.

[Krs]

Thanx for clarifying this!



Sorry you consider offering of biblically based advice as an imposition.
It was meant only as a source of guidence for a person who asked for help.
Of course not everyone is religious. But everyone is a human being and biblical advice is applicable to all human moral problems. You don't always use biblical quotes. That's perfectly OK. Please grant those who do wish to use biblical quotes the same consideration. About not reading my posts, I would prefer that you do, It is only as a reaction to your protests that I offer the solution of not reading them. Only informing you of your options. Not selfish at all.

Im not saying that all in all biblical advice is an imposition, but maybe not everyone would like it as a source of guidance, you said its yourself not everyone is religious.

The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws and wants to do things the way God tells us to. The kind of person who masturbates without concern or commits fornication in order to alleviate his passions would be the kind of person who doesn't care what God thinks and so any solution offered might be acceptable. I suppose that atheists or agnostics would be such kinds of persons since they tend to become their own law choosing for themselves what's right or wrong.

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. KJV

Now that is scary!

I really don't think that atheists or agnostics can be justified as "those kinds of persons"... So I can probably prove to you that the majority of the whole population are "those kind of people".

People who make their own law chosing for themselves are far more worse people such as :- rapists, killers, terrorists...
But not people who masterbate... For crying out loud!!

[talaniman]

Jeez! If a guy believes in the scriptures and frames his life and responses around the ,what's wrong with that? Rapist, killers and addicts are sick people. If they ask for help then give it to them.

[Starman]

....maybe not everyone would like it as a source of guidance, you said its yourself not everyone is religious.

People coming here for advice about morality are anonymous as far as their preferences are concerned. We can either assume that they are religious or assume that they are not. Since I am NOT a mind-reader I give people the benefit of the doubt! If it turns out that they find my advice helpful--then good. If not, then that's their choice. Ultimately no one is obligated one way or the other.

I really dont think that atheists or agnostics can be justified as "those kinds of persons"... So i can probably prove to you that the majority of the whole population are "those kind of people".

People who make their own law chosing for themselves are far more worse people such as :- rapists, killers, terrorists....
But not people who masterbate..... For crying out loud!!!!!

First, we are not here to condemn those who seek advice only to provide it if we think it might prove helpful. Second, I did not say that masturbators are people who make their own laws because saying that would be condemnatory against the person who requested assistance from us. Third, I am referring to those who make up their own rules as they go along without regard to any help from a creator. I sincerely doubt that you can say that about most of the people in Europe, and North and South America, where the Christian religion predominates.