[Peter Wilson]

Bless you guys, the Lord told me once in an open vision, that is, I had my eyes wide open, that everybody that I meet, is a part of my vineyard and I am a part of theirs.
So let us all help and pray for each other through this journey, there is enough evil in the world, without bringing it into the body of Christ.
For those that are seeking the promise of healing by our gracious and compassionate Father:

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied ;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Bless our beautiful Saviour and Lord.

[The Skipper]

As a Christian, do you believe that you are "once saved always saved" or do you believe there is a way or different ways one can lose their salvation? Very interested to get your feedback.:D

Yes, See II Peter 2:20

[Tj3]

Yes, See II Peter 2:20

Are you saying "yes" you believe in once saved always saved, or "yes" there are ways to "lose" your salvation?

[The Skipper]

Are you saying "yes" you believe in once saved always saved, or "yes" there are ways to "lose" your salvation?

Yes, you can lose your salvation by turning away from Christ and going back into sin.

[Tj3]

Yes, you can lose your salvation by turning away from Christ and going back into sin.

I agree. I prefer to say that is willfully turning from your salvation. The word "losing" has the connotation of becoming unsaved without a decision to turn away.

[arcura]

0rphan ,
Thank you much for your concern.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[kindj]

I very deliberately chose not to read any of the replies you've gotten, so forgive me if I duplicate anyone else's answer.

I honestly don't believe that we can have our salvation taken away by any force on earth, Heaven, or hell. Even though the verse says something like, "The Lord gives, and the Lord takes away," I don't see that as applying to salvation. I figure if He loves us enough to go through ALL that He has on our behalf, up to and including the most extreme so far--the death of His Son for our reconciliation--I don't quite see what reason He would have for taking it away.

However, sometimes I wonder if we can voluntarily give it back.

As an analogy (and probably a rather weak one), suppose I gave you a gift. Maybe I give you a beautiful house with all the taxes paid and the utilities paid for the rest of your life, along with a warranty that would cover any and all repairs. I don't ask for anything in return, just for you to live in this grand house I've given you. Is it not possible for you to move in and enjoy your new gift, but at some point in the future decide that you don't want it anymore, for whatever reason? Can't you always give the keys back to me and move out?

I don't know, just a thought.

DK

[arcura]

kindj
There are several ways to "give the house back"
All of them have been posted here including the big one.
If you do not forgive others to will not be forgive AND to enter heaven you must be forgive.
Unclean souls are not allowed in heaven.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[De Maria]

Are you saying "yes" you believe in once saved always saved, or "yes" there are ways to "lose" your salvation?

2 Peter 2
20 For if, flying from the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they be again entangled in them and overcome: their latter state is become unto them worse than the former.

That's pretty straight forward.

Here's another:

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. 28 A man making void the law of Moses, dieth without any mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 How much more, do you think he deserveth worse punishments, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath esteemed the blood of the testament unclean, by which he was sanctified, and hath offered an affront to the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.

And another:

John 15
5 I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and case him into the fire, and be burneth.

There is no interpretation needed in these verses. The message is clear. You can lose your salvation.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Tj3]

There is no interpretation needed in these verses. The message is clear. You can lose your salvation.

Both verses require decisions (note in the one verse, it even says "willfully"?)

This is not "losing" salvation, but rather is willfully turning from ones salvation.

[arcura]

De Maria,
Right you are.
Expect some others to try to scrum out from under the clear messages.
It is a matter of all that the word "lose" means.
Lose can mean different things to different people.
It's like someone saying
I lost 20 pounds on that diet.
Did they real lose them or did they just melt away.
It is different than saying "I lost my watch" or "I lost my love".
I believe that God's salvation through the sacrifice of "The Lamb of God"
Is available to each person conceived.
If they don't get it they have lost the most valuable thing they had or could have had.

[Tj3]

De Maria,
Right you are.
Expect some others to try to scrum out from under the clear messages.
It is a matter of all that the word "lose" means.
Lose can mean different things to different people.
It's like someone saying
I lost 20 pounds on that diet.
Did they real lose them or did they just melt away.
It is different than saying "I lost my watch" or "I lost my love".
I believe that God's salvation through the sacrifice of "The Lamb of God"
is available to each person conceived.
If they don't get it they have lost the most valuable thing they had or could have had.

Then I wonder why you argue so about the word.

What is important is that through the gospel of Jesus Christ, we can have assurance of salvation, and we need not worry about losing our salvation.

[Tj3]

According to the traditions of the church, no one can really know for sure.
"Whether or not we are Christians, judgment awaits us at death. That judgment depends on whether we have lived our lives in accordance with God’s purpose or whether we have lived it for our own selfish ends. Our place in eternity depends on the sort of life we lead here and upon our attitude to our fellow men. The belief of Catholics. page 170

That seems contrary to scripture which says:

1 Thess 1:5
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake
NKJV

[arcura]

saintjoan,
You are right and so is The Church,
The bible tells us we have the "hope" of salvation If we have faith, persevere in it and do the works that prove we have enough faith.
Otherwise a faith without works is dead.
Also one of the works we must do is forgive those who sin against us.
If we do not so forgive we will Not be forgiven.
If we are not forgiven we can not enter heaven.
The bible tells us that clearly.
Thus salvation is Not assured unless we fulfill all that which we are told to do.
That includes being baptized, loving others as Jesus loved us and much more.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

saintjoan,
You are right and so is The Church,
The bible tells us we have the "hope" of salvation If we have faith, persevere in it and do the works that prove we have enough faith.
Otherwise a faith without works is dead.
Also one of the works we must do is forgive those who sin against us.
If we do not so forgive we will Not be forgiven.
If we are not forgiven we can not enter heaven.
The bible tells us that clearly.
Thus salvation is Not assured unless we fulfill all that which we are told to do.
That includes being baptized, loving others as Jesus loved us and much more.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

Do you have assurance of salvation?

[arcura]

Tj3,
To answer your question...
Only God Knows for sure.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[tsila1777]

Tj3,
To answer your question...
Only God Knows for sure.
Peace and kindness,

If you don't know for sure that you have salvation, then you should really start thinking about getting saved.

Love and peace

[ScottRC]

If you don't know for sure that you have salvation, then you should really start thinking about getting saved.

I got to say that I agree...

I'm all for being "humble" and all... but a saving faith in Jesus Christ should CERTAINLY give you some assurance of your salvation.

The Holy Spirit has been given to us and, as the Apostle teaches, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."( 2 Cor 17) Already we glory in the "liberty of the children of God."(Rom 8:21).

[arcura]

tsila1777,
As far as the bible is concerned no one knows for absolute sure but God.
It tells us to HOPE for salvation.
The word hope is in the gospels many times.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[tsila1777]

It also says that Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of thing not seen.

Substance means: The real physical matter of which a person or thing consists. The choicest or most essential or most vital part of some idea or experience. The idea that is intended.


Do you have faith? I assume you do, then you have substance and evidence of your salvation. I believe you are saved...I have more confidence in your salvation than you do. But it is by faith that we are saved through grace and that is the gift of God, that being the Grace and the Faith is the gift of God. So that all glory goes to God. It pleases God when you have faith that is the only way to please God.

So, voice your faith in God because He cannot lie.

Peace and love, dear one.