[michealb]

LOL.. yes maybe i will spend 60% of my free time arguing about the existance of the boogey man

Maybe you would if there were people who claimed to know what the boogey man wanted and were hell bent on carrying out what they see as his will, even if his will includes torture and murder in his name.

[sassyT]

Maybe you would if there were people who claimed to know what the boogey man wanted and were hell bent on carrying out what they see as his will, even if his will includes torture and murder in his name.

I wouldn't even waist my time with such lunacy.

I actually thought that as a creationist you were already doing precisely that !!!!

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Apparently you have dedicated your life's time to arguing about something you find as ridiculous as the boogyman. I wonder why? Lol I find it amusing. :p

[N0help4u]

Apparently you have dedicated your life's time to arguing about something you find as rediculous as the boogyman. I wonder why? lol i find it amusing. :p

Amusing AND sad that they can't seem to get that!!

Like I said I am contemplating dedicating my free time to check out the spaghetti monster and the boogey men that I do not believe exist.

[michealb]

I wouldnt even waist my time with such lunacy.

Ignoring the events of 9/11 over 3000 people killed in the name of the boogey man. How about this article.
Newsvine - Murdered for being an Atheist
Or how about this quote from George Bush
"No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God. "

I agree though it is lunacy to believe in supernatural beings. I just wish I could afford the luxury of ignoring those who do. However my rights and safety are on the line everyday.

[sassyT]

Ignoring the events of 9/11 over 3000 people killed in the name of the boogey man. How about this article.
Newsvine - Murdered for being an Atheist
or how about this quote from George Bush
"No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God. "

I agree though it is lunacy to believe in supernatural beings. I just wish I could afford the luxury of ignoring those who do. However my rights and safety are on the line everyday.

So you think you are doing some sort of service to society by harassing religious people on religious forums day in and day out?. lol how's that working for you? Are making any progress? :rolleyes:

More people in history have been killed by athiests that any religion's killings put together. For example Joseph Stalin's atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people. So if anyone should be affriad it is us theists considering the mass murders done by many athiestic regimes.

[ScottGem]

it is a common misconception that "religion is the cause of all wars"
god does not cause wars (well, except in the old testament kinda)
it is peoples misinterpretations and manipulations that cause trouble, they are just often using god as an excuse to justify murder and discrimination

A lot of this thread is just the usual pro/con propaganda thrownb out on either side. But I had to comment on this post from early in the thread.

I very much agree with what cal is saying. But I think cal is missing the point. I have said before that more people have been killed and abused in the name of religion than for any other reason. Almost every religion has had its holy wars to be ashamed of. But I do believe that the RCC, especially citing the Inquisition and the Crusades have accounted for the worst if it.

But most religions do try to portray their main deity as beneficent and promoting peace, yet they belie that portrayal in the justification of forcing themselves on others.

[michealb]

Frankly, we all have to start somewhere. An internet revolution is as good a place to start as any. I also have lengthy discussions with the people who knock on my door to spread their religion as well and I work for an agency that came into existence because of religious extremism and whose purpose is to prevent it from occurring again. So yes I do feel I'm doing some sort of service the society as a whole but pointing out how wrong you are at every turn.

Joseph Stalin was a product of a christian upbringing and he even almost became a priest himself. He also built up churches after Hitler invaded because he thought the churches would help. Even if he was an atheist though he didn't kill in the name of atheistism or for atheistism. Not a single person who was killed in his regime was killed because they wouldn't give up their religion. There is a difference from being an 'ism and killing for your 'ism. It's like if Stalin liked the color pink, he didn't kill because he liked the color pink and just because other people like the color pink doesn't mean they are going to kill millions of people too. Correlation does not always equal causation.

[N0help4u]

I agree 100% with what Cal is saying (100 million greenies!)
I have said it again and again people call themselves Christian when their heart is far from God just like the Bible says.
People like that give real Christians a bad name!

[michealb]

[N0help4u]

I believe there is a difference between 'religion' and Christianity.

[sassyT]

Frankly, we all have to start somewhere. An internet revolution is as good a place to start as any. I also have lengthy discussions with the people who knock on my door to spread their religion as well and I work for an agency that came into existence because of religious extremism and whose purpose is to prevent it from occurring again. So yes I do feel I'm doing some sort of service the society as a whole but pointing out how wrong you are at every turn.

Joseph Stalin was a product of a christian upbringing and he even almost became a priest himself. He also built up churches after Hitler invaded because he thought the churches would help. Even if he was an atheist though he didn't kill in the name of atheistism or for atheistism. Not a single person who was killed in his regime was killed because they wouldn't give up their religion. There is a difference from being an 'ism and killing for your 'ism. It's like if Stalin liked the color pink, he didn't kill because he liked the color pink and just because other people like the color pink doesn't mean they are going to kill millions of people too. Correlation does not always equal causation.

Of course there is a correlation, Starlin was an athiests when he started murdering people. Probably because he didn't believe in God anymore so felt no need to obey his comandments "thou shall not commit murder"
Hiltler was an athiests who also was raised Christian and decided to become an athiests and mudered Jews for their religious beliefs and their ethnic heritage. :rolleyes:

The Christian-haters like Michaelb should turn their attentions to militant Islam and Atheism as the most serious dangers to the world.

The fact is that while religious wars have been fought for centuries, militant atheism has slaughtered more people than religious zealots ever have. The greatest mass murders in history have been committed not by Christians but by Communists Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. More than 100 million have died at the hands of these militant atheists since the early 20th century.

The Inquisitions and the Salem witch trials (less than 25 died) are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.

Many of these conflicts that are counted as "religious wars" were not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were Catholics? NO The same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination and land.

So the bottom line is waaaaaaaaay more people have died at the hand of athiests than they have from Christians. So don't even go there

[Curlyben]

This thread has veried way off the OP so it is now closed.