[firmbeliever]

Cattie thanks a lot for your descriptions and I liked your philosophical ideas about this matter. but still theres some realities which is not deniable which makes this more ambiguous. for example in Qur'an (Islum's holy book) has got some real things which is not realy realy deniable! if we consider the progress of the science in history, we can't say that qur'an is writen by the human being! I mean there are some factors that dont allow ou to think that God is imaginary! so here we can't find him imaginary!

Morteza,
I am a bit confused here now.

You say you believe the Quran to be true,yet you do not believe in a Creator?
How much of the Quran do you believe and which do you have doubts about or make you doubtful of a Creator?

I've lots of Ideas about God and his existance

I would love to hear your ideas if you do not mind sharing them,maybe there is some I might be able to shed some light on.

[Choux]

Mort,

There is *no proof* that there is such a god as the gods of Judaism, Chrisitanity or Islam. These religions developed in one respect as a way to control the illiterate masses of long ago.

Many people who have been indoctrinated into believing in invisible entities in their childhood enjoy and find comfort in believing as adults in the face of an uncertain and violent world.

Beat wishes,

[eawoodall]

Look up "How can we prove the Bible is factual" post
On this site.

I offer many proofs. From mathematics, science, et cetera.

[NeedKarma]

You proved the bible is factual using mathematics? This I would like to see!

[eawoodall]

There are several areas of math that prove the bible in true.

If you would search for the other posting from this web site, so I don't have to repost.

look up "How can we prove the Bible is factual" post
on this site.

i offer many proofs. from mathematics, science, et cetera.

[hiwiseguy]

Morteza, one way to approach the topic, is to imagine what the world would be like if Allah really did exist.

If reality is no different with an imagined God, than without one, then it is likely that there is no such reality where a God actually exists.

The idea of an "other" is natural part of having the mind/brain systems we do. Basically it comes from our long period of dependency on those older and more experienced than us.

The human infant requires a predisposition to believe the claims of those in power. This appears to give us a survival advantage in infancy. However, this may present problems for the species when, as adults, we allow that predisposition for belief to become the justification for unreasoned belief.

Belief is important for helpless babies, but part of growing up is understanding when and where belief harms the species.

Apply your mind in all things.

[blackblue]

There is NO way to prove the existence of God until you actually die and live the experience.
I believe that the idea that there is a afterlife or that God exists can be more believable if you have a paranormal experience.


Don't think too hard about it.You cannot understand everything while down here.

[fairy779]

Morteza,
why not state your ideas and I can explain how I see it as a believer in the existence of an Almighty.

We are muslims or momin?

[fairy779]

I've lots of Ideas about God and his existance, but still I'm confused about some factors for proving his existance and got some questions which sounds logical, for this I've decided to know about your ideas, please if you believe in God or not, give me your reasons about it!

What questions in your mind?

[0rphan]

Your not going to get proof... just look around you... as if by magic we all appearred

[love is abby]

Personally I think of god as someone who's always there to listen to me, to keep my friends and family safe, happy and healthy, as someone who will always forgive me for what ever I do wrong, I pray every night and just tell him what's on my mind, its nice. I hope that you will find the same comfort.

[hamworld05]

I happened to read something in a page about how God must exist.

In a nutshell of nutshells, every single object exists because of the big bang(I think). Skipping so many ideas later, how was the universe created? How does something come from nothing? It can't. There must be an existence before that who just happened, to create the universe.

Sorry if it's totally unorganized, I don't fully understand the idea myself.

[Luciano Imoto]

Maybe this link can help you:

An Actual Freedom From The Human Condition

Enjoy!

[VSPrasad]

The average gender ratio in the world is 105 males for 100 females. It remained
Constant throughout the many decades of scientific research.

Who is maintaining this ration?

The ratio remains the same despite female infanticide in some countries. How do
You explain this without using a para-human force?

[hamworld05]

Fisher's principle, I think, can be used for a reasonable explanation..

[WVHiflyer]

Yes, Fisher's principle does explain it. For the OP, it's an evolutionary principle. Google it and read up.

[WVHiflyer]

I just realized I never answeed the OP... I can't believe in any god because the idea is just too irrational for me. And it would mean a belief in destiny. You have to make your own, not depend on some invisible entity to provide it. And I try to be a 'moral' person because it's the right thing, not because some supposed omnipotent being declared 'rules of behavior.'

[0rphan]

Morteza... ask yourself simple questions because this argument for proof will be ever lasting... there is none.

1) how do you get something from nothing ?

2) how does a huge oak tree grow from a tiny seed ?

3) why does the grass continue to grow year upon year, even after the battering it gets from.. football, kids, dogs, sports in general, insectacides, lawn mower etc etc...

4) look at the flowers each year, how beautiful, how perfect in every tiny detail... watch the stages of a rosebud opening slowly... sheer perfection.

Look around you, not at the material things that man collects for vanity or greed,but at the simplicitiy of the real world... nature

WE have everything provided for us... rain and sun for the plants to grow and bring forth fruit or the beauty of flowers.

Animals for food or clothing or transport if we so wished.

Sun for light and warmth... the moon to guide us by night

Man in truth needs very little to survive and what we do need is free all around us.


To create something beautiful and perfect down to the finest detail has to come from perfection itself and that is... our creator... God

[VSPrasad]

The heart is effectively a syncytium, a meshwork of cardiac muscle cells
interconnected by contiguous cytoplasmic bridges.

Do you think that such a sophisticated system
could have come into being due to evolution
of cells or lifeless chemicals?



The fossil record also shows a sudden,
inexplicable appearance of a wide variety of
both simple and complex life-forms. However,
if evolution were true, there would only be a
very gradual increase in both the numbers and
complexity of such organisms.

Regression of species: Since evolution is
supposed to be continual and random, we
should expect the same process that caused
the emergence of humans from apes to also
produce apes from humans. The law of natural
selection would not prevent this from
happening, because apes remain a stable life
form, able to survive current environmental
conditions.

Chromosomes. This is the most inexplicable
difference of all. Primates have 48
chromosomes. Humans are considered vastly
superior to them in a wide array of areas,
yet somehow we have only 46 chromosomes! This
begs the question of how we could lose two
full chromosomes--which represents a lot of
DNA--in the first place, and in the process
become so much better.

The leading mathematicians in the century met
with some evolutionary biologists and
confronted them with the fact that according
to mathematical statistics, the probabilities
of a cell or a protein molecule coming into
existence were nil. They even constructed a
model of a large computer and tried to figure
out the possibilities of a cell ever
happening. The result was zero possibility! -
Wistar Institute, 1966.

Under normal circumstances, creatures give
birth to the same kind of creatures. It is
established scientific fact that like begets
like. On rare instances, the DNA in an embryo
is damaged, resulting in a mutant child that
differs in some respect from its parent.
Although a few mutations have been
scientifically observed that are beneficial,
most mutations produce inferior offspring.
For the theory of evolution to be true, there
must be a fantastic number of creative
mutations that produce new kinds of offspring
which are better suited for survival, and
therefore are favored by natural selection.
Mutations are harmful and deadly, not useful
as "evolution" requires. Cancer is an example
of a mutation.

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml

http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm

One of the most basic, fundamental laws of
science, the Second Law of Thermodynamics,
states that things in nature always tend to
dissolve and breakdown with the passage of
time, not grow more complex which would be
the case if evolution were true.

http://www.frankcaw.com/science.html

The gymnarchus (Nile Knifefish) is a nocturnal fish and

has poor vision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnarchus_niloticus

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/35/2/451

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/17/5/1761

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16339036

It uses an organ, which is similar to a radar, to
locate the prey it is chasing. For the radar system of
fishes to function properly, the receptors in the skin
that perceive electrical signals should be extremely
sensitive. Indeed, the gymnarchus can 'notice' a change
in the current intensity as small as 0.000 000 000 000
003 ampere. Such sensitivity enables the fish to
distinguish an ordinary gudgeon from bait in whose body
a man has hidden a tiny steel hook angler. It can steer
through very muddy water even at night using its radar.

Do you think that such an engineering marvel could
have come into being through evolution alone?

[cozyk]

You can. We did in Philosophy class:

Proof
The grass is green
if the grass is green then God exists

God exists. Q.E.D.

I don't get it. This proves nothing.