[progunr]

I could not believe my ears today when I heard that 5 of our most radical supreme court justices have voted to give Constitutional Rights, to the terrorists.

??

They opened the door for challenges to be made, in our American Court System, by these
Lawless animals, that are intent on killing all of us.

The very bastards that would cut the head off an American on World Wide TV if they could, can now try to sue our Government, for holding them captive.

How can ANY AMERICAN AGREE WITH THIS?

For that matter, how can anyone, except a terrorist, agree with this?

I really want to hear from you, if you exist!

How do you think the thousands of American parents, who have lost the lives of their children to these scumbags, feel knowing that their own government now has to allow the terrorists to be treated as an American Citizen?

They have given the very rights, that the soldiers died trying to protect, to the criminals, that had a hand in killing them.

It makes me sick to my stomach, and it very well should.

[tomder55]

In case you missed it I posted on the SCOTUS decision this afternoon also

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...sh-226093.html

[Choux]

You sound hysterical. :)

Did you forget that people with rights can be found *GUILTY*?

America has the most desired freedoms of any country on earth... individual freedom from the power of the state. That is what makes America Great, and why folks like to immigrate here and citizens like to stay here.

It is always easy to talk about freedom and due process when times are easy, THE REAL TEST OF A COUNTRY IS HOW IT PRESERVES ITS CORE VALUES IN DIFFICULT TIMES.

Quit your tootin' FEAR FEAR FEAR just for the fun of it, right wing fear and hate monger. :)

[tomder55]

Did you forget that people with rights can be found *GUILTY*?

Completely irrelevant point .

Should our soldiers on the battle field stop and collect evidence and take time off to be deposed ? Never before in our countries history have constitutional rights been granted to enemy combattants ,lawful or not . Scalia cites a case in his disent where German prisoners were denied habeas rights.

But terrorist now have them . A more absurd decision has never been made by this court that has made a bunch of absurd decisions in it's history .

[progunr]

I certainly don't consider a terrorist "people".

Even given the benefit of the doubt, lets say that they are, just for the fun of it.

They are not American Citizens.

The constitution protects the rights of the AMERICAN CITIZEN.

It was not created to allow radical numbnutts to extend these rights to anyone they choose to.

I still say they could be charged with treason.

Oh yeah, Choux:

Yep, that's me, the right wing fear and hate monger.

If I can remember back far enough, you sound just like a 5th grader with your name calling, I think it's cute.

[Fr_Chuck]

If for example this happened during WWII all of the POW would have had to have trials and the such, Perhaps we should just hand them over the Iraq government for their own protection, to protect their rights of course.

[progunr]

Damn, I still have some spreading to do!

AGREES with Fr_Chuck!

We caught them in Iraq, lets return them to the new government, and let them grant some
Iraq constitutional rights.

[Choux]

You angry white guys just can't think straight with all that hate bubbling about in your heads.

*Bush says* soldiers are fighting for out freedoms, yet, you Einsteins want to take away our freedoms. LOL!

A problem is that soldiers fighting in uniforms with guns etal is ineffective against controlling Jihadism. Jihadists are not uniformed men-they look and act like everyone around them, they are a guerilla force, ephemeral. REmember how American guerilla fighters defeated the English. :D

Jihadist guerilla fighters are best fought by intelligence, informers, CIA tactics, FBI tactics, police work, etc etc... not with a major army.

Again, AMERICAN VALUES OF FREEDOM AND DUE PROCESS ARE THE VALUES OUR SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING FOR ACCORDING TO THAT DUFUS BUSH.

Again, AMERICANS WON'T LET OUR FREEDOMS BE TAKEN AWAY IN TIMES OF HARDSHIP--THAT'S WHEN WE NEED OUR FREEDOMS THE MOST TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE GOVERNMENT!!



Again, THE DUTY OF THE SUPREME COURT IS TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION; that is exactly what they did. :)

[Fr_Chuck]

Not a single American is losing any rights, Enemies captured in war are not Americans and have never been under US court system.

[Choux]

American Rights Apply To Everyone In Our Country And Those We Hold Involuntarily.

[progunr]

Partially true.

If you remove the period after Involuntarily, and take into consideration the decision these
Numbnutts arrived at, then insert "in gitmo" your statement would be accurate, but still
Wrong in principal.

I still say it was treason.

[Choux]

American rights are guaranteed to everyone who is within the borders of the United States of America or anyheld involuntarily without due process.

All you angry white guy bluster gets you nowhere when you lie.

[progunr]

These "rights" have never been granted to prisoners of war, or combatants, in the over 200 years this nation has been in existence.

You need the enemy, if captured, to be locked up, and kept from returning to the battlefield, to kill more American's.

You don't need them to be brought before a judge, with soldiers having to appear to testify to the circumstances surrounding their capture!

God forbid, that the capturing individuals should be killed or injured before they could testify, in that instance, now we are in the position to allow them to return to the battlefield, and kill some more of our brave young hero's!

I can't even see how a complete idiot would think that makes perfect sense!

[magprob]

They have been there what, 6 years, and still no verdict? If due process will expidite their punishment, then I am all for it. If they are innocent, let them go. If it's good enough for Mcvey, it's good enough for them. At this rate, they will be executed sooner with the appeals process than under their current military status.

[tomder55]

Justice Roberts dissent nails the problem :

Today the Court strikes down as inadequate the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants. The political branches crafted these procedures amidst an ongoing military conflict, after much careful investigation and thorough debate. The Court rejects them today out of hand, without bothering to say what due process rights the detainees possess, without explaining how the statute fails to vindicate those rights, and before a single petitioner has even attempted to avail himself of the law's operation. And to what effect? The majority merely replaces a review system designed by the people's representatives with a set of shapeless procedures to be defined by federal courts at some future date. One cannot help but think, after surveying the modest practical results of the majority's ambitious opinion, that this decision is not really about the detainees at all, but about control of federal policy regarding enemy combatants.

yes .... judicial review is not an enumerated designation in the Constitution but Justice Marshall decided long ago that it is an implied power of the Judiciary. But ,given that ,it is incumbent on them to act with restraint. The least qualified branch of the government to decide national security matters is the judicary. But this court has taken it upon itself over and over again to strike down decisions about national security not only by the Executive ,but as in this case ,Congress as well. The unelected Black robed Oligarchs are the imperial branch .

[Choux]

The Germany and Japanese men had the legal status of *PRISONER OF WAR*... we have men held for six years with no legal status... just detainees.

If Bush had wanted or was not afraid to deal with the problem directly, he could have had his rubber stamp congress pass laws pertaining to these "detained", THE CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL WAY, but instead, he tried to make an end run around the Constitution thereby increasing his powers.

[progunr]

How anyone could believe that giving constitutional rights to enemy combatants is a good thing, defies all reason and common sense.

If Congress had left this alone, it would have been done long ago, in the correct way, by military tribunal.

But no, they had to try anything possible to discredit the administration and the war.

Face it, the Libs want us to loose this war, period.

NOTHING would make them any happier, and that is a damn shame.

[tomder55]

Choux

The part of the law that was overturned yesterday was a law created by Congress in cooperation with the Executive Branch to specifically address concerns that SCOTUS had in another ruling.

Why don't we just cut out the middle men and let the black robed unelected dictators make our laws for us too ?

Perhaps it would've been easier and more expedient to grant them POW status . But to what end ? The war in Afghanistan still goes on . Do you think the loons would be satisfied with them in GITMO still ? No of course not! They'd still be demanding their release and the ACLU lawyers would still be petitioning for habeas status for every one of them.

Face it ;this decision is without precedent ;not in US law and not in common law... or do you think that habeas was extended beyond the British commonwealth by England ?

[lshadylady]

What I don't understand is how we saw the wall in Germany come down,Communist Russia change her name, Korea separated into a democracy and then the North! Stayed communist. China is changing from communist to a democracy,Japan has changed to a democracy. We preached democracy, but the United States is headed away from a Democracy. We do not have to be a Socialist Government to solve our problems do we? Nationalism (Socialism) has our banks, some of our industries (GM)(the Supreme Court got nervous over more going in the same direction and is reviewing Chrysler and Fiat scenario. We can solve the Health care problem without the Government taking over health care, can't we?

[21boat]

Choux Apparently you have a problem with race and color hear...

Post 8#

You angry white guys just can't think straight with all that hate bubbling about in your heads.

Post 12#

All you angry white guy bluster gets you nowhere when you lie.

After reading this I feel your comments on this thread has no merit. Yet you have the audacity to post

American Rights Apply To Everyone In Our Country