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trinity help · May 19, 2008, 01:37 AM

Hi, The title is sincere... No pun intended... I truly believe the question of the Trinity can NEVER be resolved... I have studied with Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians at the same time... (Witnesses do not take offence) I didn't know any other way to state who I studied with... During the studies each one cancelled out the other with a different scripture... Both using the same bible... The witnesses say we get the Trinity from old cults... The God-Head was voted on in 325 B.C. by the council of Niecia... Please don't quote scripture... What I need is Historical facts where each came up with there core believes... Please don't put me down with scripture... or say I don't have faith... or say some things are just a mystery... All these religions believe something deifferent... WHY... :confused: thanks trinity help... I know Jesus was for told in the old testament. If the trinity is a basis for a religion... Why is it so hard to find and understand... I know all the scripture for the God-head.. I need history...

JoeCanada76 · May 19, 2008, 01:54 AM

Actually in Genesis, we are told that We as humans was created in OUR IMAGE.

Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 26. (Please Read)

Trinity, The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit.

I will explain it the way I understand it. We are made in God's image.
We have many different parts to our body; our heart, our soul, our mind, and all our different body parts that collectively together make ONE BODY.

That goes the same for God, God is made up of different parts, different bodies. He is made up of The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit and together make the One God.

Fr_Chuck · May 19, 2008, 04:35 AM

First while I will offend everyone most likely, it just does not matter, the idea of trinity, if it is, if it is not, or if it is something totally different that man just can't understand. The only real issue is salvation, done by faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, it is not faith in him as God, or faith in him as a holy spirit, but faith in him, that he died for your sins.

That is the entire message of the bible in one sentence. We know that we can not see the Father unless we go though the Son, We know that the Holy Spirit was sent to the people after Christ went back into heaven.

It can be confusing, and to that I basically say, it does not matter as long as you have a saving faith and relationship with Christ. Also once you have that relationship you grow closer to him and many things in the bible become clearer and clearer.

Also many things in the bible have to be believed, and taken by faith.
Jesus rose from the dead, the flood, the destruction of sodom, and so on
Those should be the hard things to accept and believe since they go against physcial science and mans understanding.

The issue is you want to understand something that man has never understood, you want it printed out 1,2,3 and that is that. It is not so, the bible was and will be a book of faith, that has to be accepted.

Can you be saved beleving that Jesus is Gods Son, and that he died for your sins, and not accepting fully the idea of the trinity, of course you can.

What you can't do is be saved by works, you are saved only by faith.

trinity help · May 20, 2008, 02:10 AM

THANK YOU I can live with this answer... Love-in HIS-name and mine... trinity help...

mimi03 · May 20, 2008, 11:57 AM

There is no historical proof of things created in the human imagination (IMO)

tsila1777 · Jun 27, 2008, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by mimi03

There is no historical proof of things created in the human imagination (IMO)

I so agree, like where is the historical proof that we crawled out of the sea... and by the way who created the sea? I would like to see some historical proof to explain that.

Alder · Jul 19, 2008, 04:05 PM

In Catholic theology, and many other Christian paths, the Trinity is a sacred mystery. Meaning, no one has the definitive final answer on it. Not to say that you don't get to know, but that you can go on deepening and deepening your understanding throughout your life, without ever getting to the bottom. It is a way of saying that God is big enough and deep enough to hold all our human understandings of Her, with room left over. Accepting mystery also means that God knows we do not have perfect knowledge of the divine, and won't fault us for woshipping the God of our understanding (but may fault us if we go around telling others we have perfect knowledge).

Blessings to you on your sincere quest of faith.

Alder

Fr_Chuck · Jul 19, 2008, 06:23 PM

As I note I can offend both sides, I am a street preacher basically working with street people, no time or way to sugar coat everything, and neither did the early church, they had a simple message, Jesus lived, Jesus died, Jesus rose again, and by faith in him we are saved. Beyond that follow the church that serves the best fried chicken or the best veggy salad. A persons soul being saved is what counts, not if you can prove the number of animals on ark or which grave Jesus was in.