[Allheart]

For me, I liked Hillary - but am growing weary of some of the falsehoods (although, some may not be of her fault). But am having trust issues.

Barack - was weaking on him as time was going, and then came the comments the other day about folks turing towards guns and religion. I don't know, sounded a little elitest to me. Got turned off straight away, but as I said was weaking.

John McCain - I'm still very excited about this canadate. I had heard that Condoleezza Rice, was a possible running mate, but then I heard she turned it down. I would LOVE that ticket.

So, now after months and months of all this campaign stuff, where do you stand now?

I ask, as I still remain open minded, and truly want the best of the 3.

[NeedKarma]

Barack - was weaking on him as time was going, and then came the comments the other day about folks turing towards guns and religion. I don't know, sounded a little elitest to me. Got turned off straight away, but as I said was weaking.

Please don't be dissuaded by the neocons here (tom and steve) - they are full of hate and have as their mission to discredit people. It's pathetic and shameful.

[Allheart]

Hi NK

No, I actually heard that on the news. Perhaps you are right, ( not about Tom and Steve)
But maybe his words, or the meaning being applied, I am putting too much weight on.

But I will admit they did sting and I really don't like guns. And it must be hard to be on the campaign trail and be perfect with every word. But for some reason it just rubbed with the wrong way. But I get over things quickly.

I still like Hillary but am afriad, if that makes sense.

But I understand what your saying.

[NeedKarma]

But I will admit they did sting and I really don't like guns.

If you don't like guns then you should appreciate Obama's message not be "stung" by them. Where did you read the story about his talk?

[Allheart]

I didn't read it, it was on the news and I saw him actually say the words. But I don't know what he meant, that people turn to crime? The relegion portion, believe it or not really didn't sting at all. I think my concern was the blanket thrown over... painting with the same brush. That's what concerned me.

[Allheart]

Here's an article that kind of gives a better picture as to what took place.

Obama's Remarks Give Clinton an Opening

I'm not one to hold someone's feet to the fire, but on first hearing, it does take you a bit back.

[NeedKarma]

Here's a more direct report:
Obama Says Some Voters Are Angry, Bitter
He's right, people are bitter, people voted on gun control and gay marriage previously. Where's the elitist part??

[excon]

Hello All:

No, it wasn't politically correct. But, it was correct.

"..... they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

How come rednecks like it when they're told they have too many cars in the yard? Is it cause it's a white man saying it? It sure could be. They think it's funny.

But, Barak can't say the above?? Why not? Cause he's not being funny? I didn't know rednecks were so sensitive.

Nahh. If a white supremacist said what Obama said (using less sophisticated words), they'd be lined up to follow him.

excon

[Allheart]

Here's a more direct report:
Obama Says Some Voters Are Angry, Bitter
He's right, people are bitter, people voted on gun control and gay marriage previously. Where's the elitist part????

Thanks NK, I will give it a good read as well.

The elitist part comes in, when you shine a large group of people in a negative light, as though you are standing taller then they are.

If he would have said, "On the campaign trail, I have visited with many people from small towns, and they just don't feel as though they are being heard. They've become upset, frustrated and feel they are being left behind".

That would be a much more acceptable statement, because I don't understand where he came up with that sort of description, of a large group of people, even though in small towns.

But I will take a good read on what you provided.

[Allheart]

Hello All:

No, it wasn't politically correct. But, it was correct.

"..... they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

How come rednecks like it when they're told they have too many cars in the yard? Is it cause it's a white man saying it? It sure could be. They think it's funny.

But, Barak can't say the above???? Why not? Cause he's not being funny? I didn't know rednecks were so sensitive. What? We gotta be politically correct about rednecks????

Nahh. If a white supremacist said what Obama said (using less sophisticated words), they'd be lined up to follow him.

excon

Excon I honestly would feel the same if any of the canadates would have said those comments.

The article NK provided is in a much better light then most I have either heard or read.

I'm from the working class, but that's not why it took me back, I'd feel the same if a generalization were made for the rich, or those in poverty.

There are some truth to his words, and to me it's not a matter of being PC, it's a matter of being accurate. And I don't think the descriptions capture all small town America, not even close.

[N0help4u]

I do not trust Hillary she is out for her ego and her secret service and secretaries hate her because she treats them like dirt.
I think Obama is shaky because he refuses to say what he believes about anything and only gives sketchy ideas (not details) of what he believes and what he will do.
I am not at all impressed with McCain but since people will not get together and come up with another candidate that the majority agrees on (too unrealistic to hope for)
I think McCain is the only one that we can vote for to keep from taking a gamble of what we will get with the other two. But in a way I hope that Hillary or Obama win so the Democrats can see what they actually thought was great. Yet the really liberal ones will never see it for what it is.

[tomder55]

You can read my "hate filled " comments about the latest Obama flap here

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ed-205139.html

[NeedKarma]

I am not at all impressed with McCain but since people will not get together and come up with another candidate that the majority agrees on (too unrealistic to hope for)
I think McCain is the only one that we can vote for to keep from taking a gamble of what we will get with the other two.

I worry about his age, his anger management issues and his lack of understanding of economics.

[NeedKarma]

The elitist part comes in, when you shine a large group of people in a negative light, as though you are standing taller then they are.

Isn't that exactly what those political guys do on this board every single day?

[N0help4u]

I worry too but most presidents were older.
I really wish we could get another candidate that is truly by the people and for the people!

[BABRAM]

John McCain - I'm still very excited about this canadate. I had heard that Condoleezza Rice, was a possible running mate, but then I heard she turned it down. I would LOVE that ticket.

So, now after months and months of all this campaign stuff, where do you stand now?

I ask, as I still remain open minded, and truly want the best of the 3.

Greatest right we have as US citizens is to vote; Civics 101. Here we can share various angles on why we vote for one candidate or the other and I respect your open mindedness.

I suppose there's room for anyone to vote on any issues important to the individual regardless of the rational. In fact I've known quite a few people that bet horses by their favorite color or number, rather than the jockey, record, surface, and length of race. In the casino it's said, "better to be lucky than good." Practically speaking though, the number one issue in most presidential elections is more often the economy. The war will also be weighing on American minds as we vote this coming November. On those two major issues alone, no way could I describe "John McCain" as "exciting." The most proper word I can think of is "antiquated." The fact Condoleeza Rice could possibly be chosen should scare the bejeepers-Bush crazies out of most people facing indecision. :eek:

Given the choice of the three, I would choose Barack Obama.


PS. Barack spoke at in-depth length about religion and politics in the Compassion Forum that was aired on CNN earlier today.

[NeedKarma]

Allheart,
To see what a chord he hit check this out:
You're Darn Right I'm Bitter - Bitter Voters For Obama

[N0help4u]

Thank you I was looking for that article. I heard Hillary has turned it to her advantage saying he doesn't relate to the common folk like she does and is passing out I am not bitter bumper stickers.
Hillary took the bitter statement as a big put down to the people and says it shows exactly how out of touch he is with reality.

[ordinaryguy]

For me, it's not at all about "the economy". Presidents have far less ability to influence that than most people think. My biggest concerns are fidelity to the founding ideals of this nation: Respect for the rule of law, protection of individual rights against the power of the state, the separation of church and state, separation of powers among the three branches of government, and a commitment to the common good. I think Republican administrations since 1980 have done grievous harm to these ideals, and so could not vote for any Republican. I have more faith in Obama's understanding of and commitment to these ideals than Clinton's, so if he wins the nomination I will vote for him enthusiastically. If Hillary wins it, I will vote for her reluctantly.

[magprob]

I don't care. I like all three.