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Feb 17, 2008, 03:55 PM
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I found these in my son's laundry
Is anyone familiar with Rhino Research Chemicals? I found some pills that my son had with epiMASS on the front. I would like to know what it is and if they are legal or not. Thanks
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Feb 17, 2008, 03:59 PM
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It is probably a legal prescription drug--but not having a prescription for it -if it isn't OTC -is a different story.
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:07 PM
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I think it has a connection with steroid use
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:07 PM
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Those are Anabolic Steroids. I would call my local doctor and ask him/her about this. If this is a prescription only drug and there is no prescription, that is a misdemeanor. If this is an illegal drug, the situation changes.
What are the legal consequence for using steroids?
Bodybuilding.com - Armor Nutrition Epi-Mass - Aromatase Inhibitor On sale now!
The website states that this is for bodybuilding purposes:
Epi-Mass is a unique steroidal aromatase inhibitor that binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle tissue to promote increases in strength and lean body mass. With a myotrophic ratio of 12, Epi-Mass is a highly effective pro-anabolic while being much less likely to produce unwanted androgenic side effects.
Read the side warning. How old is your son?
Warnings: Keep out of reach of children. This products is intended for use in healthy adult males.Do not use this product if you have been diagnosed with or suspect that you may have any medical condition, including but not limited to prostate cancer. If you are taking any other medication, use only under the advice of a physician. This product may elevate hormone serum levels, which could produce a positive result if you are subject to steroid testing. Ths product is not intended for use by women or anyone under the age of 18.
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:10 PM
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Bodybuilding.com - Armor Nutrition Epi-Mass - Aromatase Inhibitor On sale now!
Epi-Mass is a unique steroidal aromatase inhibitor that binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle tissue to promote increases in strength and lean body mass. With a myotrophic ratio of 12, Epi-Mass is a highly effective pro-anabolic while being much less likely to produce unwanted androgenic side effects.
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:11 PM
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From what I could find it looks like the company makes hair loss pills like Rogaine, anabolic steroids, a viagra type pill and appetite suppressants.
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Feb 17, 2008, 06:42 PM
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Thanks everyone for your help. What is the difference between anabolic and pro anabolic?
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Feb 18, 2008, 10:58 AM
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I love the way people are so quick to jump the gun on steroid use... What you found in your son's pocket is NOT a steroid... it is an aromatase inhibitor. People should understand what an aromatase is before answering this question...
Basic body chemistry lesson here: When the male body produces too much testosterone (natural), or receives it through injection (synthetic), the body will turn itself into a defense mode to balance itself out.
This means the male body will actual convert that extra testosterone in estrogen. Men DO NOT WANT estrogen! That estrogen will then bind itself to androgen receptors, which causes a few side effects, such as water retention, fat accumalation, and more seriously, gynocomastia (growth of breast tissue).
This inhibitor you found will prevent that conversion from happening. So in essence, you DID NOT FIND a steroid in your son's laundry, but chances are, if you found an inhibitor, then he is taking one or more testosterone-based steroids. I would be quick to start looking else where for the "real goods".
I have taken a few inhibitors myself over the years because of all the steroid cycles I have done. I have used Arimidex, and Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate). As NOhelp4u stated, these are NOT LEGAL without a perscription. So chances are, your son has purchased these from a dealer at his local gym, or some underground online source...
I hope this helps.
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Feb 20, 2008, 09:46 AM
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Wow! There are a lot of uneducated people on here answering questions. The item you found is not a steroid. It is a pro hormone. Companies make these products to be as close to a steroid as legally possible.
They change the location of the Carbon atom to make it a legal supplement versus an illegal steroid. You can buy these supplements in GNC or online. They have many different names but the active ingredients are similar.
If your son is still growing, he should not be using this product as there are still steroid
Like side effects that can occur (such as stunted growth). Most of the time pro hormones are a waste of money and a good diet and exercise program will give your son the desired results. They make a lot of money by hyping their products as being as powerful as steroids without the side effects. Normally they just cause water retention to give the appearance of gaining weight/muscle. These gains will be lost once use is discontinued. Good Luck
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Feb 20, 2008, 09:50 AM
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This is exactly right. Learn to read people. Pro anabolic is another term for Pro Hormone. This product can be purchased over the counter(OTC). IT is dangerous that some of you offer advice and answers while not having any idea what you are talking about.
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Bodybuilding.com - Armor Nutrition Epi-Mass - Aromatase Inhibitor On sale now!
Epi-Mass is a unique steroidal aromatase inhibitor that binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle tissue to promote increases in strength and lean body mass. With a myotrophic ratio of 12, Epi-Mass is a highly effective pro-anabolic while being much less likely to produce unwanted androgenic side effects.
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Feb 20, 2008, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kn288
Is anyone familiar with Rhino Research Chemicals? I found some pills that my son had with epiMASS on the front. I would like to know what it is and if they are legal or not. Thanks
Epi-Mass is a unique steroidal aromatase inhibitor that binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle tissue to promote increases in strength and lean body mass. With a myotrophic ratio of 12, Epi-Mass is a highly effective pro-anabolic while being much less likely to produce unwanted androgenic side effects.
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Feb 20, 2008, 10:52 AM
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Sorry I did not see this question
The difference is the location of the Carbon/hydrogen atoms along the chain. Just like alcohol. Beer could be made poisonous by changing an atom or two. However, it would no longer be Beer. It would be another substance such as isopropyl alcohol or ethanol etc. Steroids can be made into prohormones by changing a Carbon atom. Another example is Carbon Dioxide. Carbon Dioxide is CO2. Well take away one Oxygen atom and you have CO. This is Carbon Monoxide and is deadly.
One minor change to the atomic structure can make a world of difference. All supplement companies are constantly trying to produce steroid like results without steroid like side effects.
Bottom line is your son is growing and producing enough natural testosterone that he does not need to take any supplements. He just needs plenty of protein and a good diet and a regular lifting program. The results will show as long as he is willing to put in the hard work.
Originally Posted by kn288
Thanks everyone for your help. What is the difference between anabolic and pro anabolic?
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Feb 20, 2008, 05:42 PM
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How about asking your son, depending on his age, it's his choice, but you need to talk about this with him.
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