[manchester thani]

Y did jews rae not accepting jesus as their messiah?

[Fr_Chuck]

Some do, at the time of Christ, all the early christians were jews, in fact for the early church you first had to become a jew to be a christian, until Paul started getting gentiles as Christians.

Today there are jewish Christian groups. ( although the majority did not accept) But then why does not so many people not accept Christ, because they prefer another belief or teaching.

[ZachZ]

Y did jews rae not accepting jesus as their messiah?

The answer is: Because Jesus is not the Jewish messiah.


How do Jews know that Jesus is not the Jewish messiah? This is a frequently asked question. It was recently asked and answered here:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/judais...ly-179748.html

This thread provides general reasons and links to more detailed answers.


Please note that this is not a question 'about christianity', it is about Judaism, and you should probably ask it on the Judaism board, and not the Christian board, if you would like more detailed answers.

[shygrneyzs]

Like Zach has said, this has been asked many a time and often enough.
You can do a search on Google and come up with some writings:
Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

Jewish author David Klinghoffer did this interview for BeliefNet:
Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus as the Messiah--Interview with David Klinghoffer Judaism Christian Isaiah Christ -- Beliefnet.com

But if you do not want to take some time to read through those articles, you can look at what Rabbi Lerner said when asked "Why Jews Do Not Accept Jesus As The Messiah?"


"In brief:

1. No Jew accepts Jesus as the Messiah. When someone makes that faith commitment, they become Christian. It is not possible for someone to be both Christian and Jewish.
2. Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah because he didn't fulfill Jewish expectations of the Messiah.
3. The Hebrew Bible (called the Old Testament by the non-Jewish world) is not proof for anything in the New Testament regarding a Messiah. "

You can read his complete article here:
Why Jews do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah

[De Maria]

Y did jews rae not accepting jesus as their messiah?

Many Jews have. A few haven't. Their reasons for not accepting Jesus in view of the overwhelming evidence that proves He is the Messiah is beyond me. You might try asking the Jews on this website.

There are many websites which list the proofs that Jesus is the Messiah. Here is one:

How Jesus fulfilled Old Testament prophecies

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Galveston1]

Rom 11:20-21
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
(KJV)

The whole Jewish nation got a long way off from their God and suffered much judgment. Because of their persistent disobedience, their eyes were blinded that they could not recognize their Messiah. Jesus even taught in parables so that they could not understand. He explained those parables to His followers, but not to the "Jews". The Jewish remnant will all become believers in Yeshua during the coming Great Tribulation.

[Fr_Chuck]

This group would be surprised to hear you can't be both Jews for Jesus - http://www.jewsforjesus.org/



Jewish Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contemporary Jewish Christians
"Jewish Christians" is sometimes used as a contemporary term in respect of persons who are ethnically Jewish but who have become part of a "mainstream" Christian group which is not predominantly based on an appeal to Jewish ethnicity or the Law of Moses. This term is used as a contrast to Messianic Jews, many of whom are ethnic Jews who have converted to a religion in which Christian belief (usually evangelical) is generally grafted onto Jewish ritual which would, to outsiders at least, typically resemble Judaism more than Christianity.

The term could thus be used, for example, of Arnold Fruchtenbaum, the founder of Ariel Ministries. Another group which could be described as Jewish Christians is "Jews for Jesus".


[edit] Modern Jewish Christians and Messianic Jews
There are important similarities and differences between "Jewish Christians" (or "Hebrew Christians") and "Messianic Jews". Jewish Christians identify themselves primarily as Christians. They are (mostly) members of Protestant and Catholic congregations, (usually) are not so strict about observing Kashrut (Jewish dietary laws) or the Sabbath, and are (generally) assimilated culturally into the Christian mainstream, although they retain a strong sense of their Jewish identity which they, like Messianic Jews, strongly desire to pass on to their children. In Israel, there is a growing population of Orthodox Christians who are of Jewish descent and conduct their worship mostly in Hebrew (the most prominent language in Israel, as well as the official language). Messianic Jews consider their primary identity to be "Jewish" and belief in Jesus to be the logical conclusion of their "Jewishness". They try to structure their worship according to Jewish norms, they circumcise their sons and (mostly) abstain from non-kosher foods, and (often) observe the Sabbath. Many (but by no means all) do not use the label "Christian" to describe themselves. The boundary between the two movements is blurred, but the differences between the two movements are such that it may not be fair to treat them as one (cf. Baptists and Methodists, for example).


Jewish Christians

[ZachZ]

This group would be surprised to hear you can't be both Jews for Jesus

As has already been pointed out, it is not possible to be a Jew and a believer in Jesus as G-d. This is just as fundamental an impossibility as it is for a number to be both even and odd at the same time.

"Jews" for Jesus was started by an ordained Baptist minister named Martin Rosen. Although their strategy is to get Jews to abandon Judaism and embrace Christianity by dressing up their plainly Christian message with Yiddish words and other Jewish references, this organization is simply yet another evangelical Christian proselytizing outfit. Believers in their message are Christians and they refer to themselves as Christians, they attend church and not synagogue, they don't follow the laws of the Torah, etc. Once you look past their name, there's no way that you could confuse these guys for actual Jews.

A person who believes in the divinity of Jesus--or any other human being for that matter--cannot be and is not Jewish. Let me explain it this way: I am a Christian. Yes, a Christian. However, I absolutely deny the divinity or messiahship of Jesus. I believe Jesus was a nice man, a sub-standard Torah student and a sinner like the rest of us, but he was absolutely not G-d. G-d is a unity, and not triune; the Greek testament is a nice if flawed collection of stories written by well-meaning but deluded people; and G-d demands adherence to the Law of His Torah, which will remain binding forever. But I am a Christian! I will answer people's questions on the Christianity board (from my perspective, of course) and sign my posts with "You can trust my answers because I am a true Christian." Doesn't this sound ridiculous and outrageous? Of course it does, and it's just as ridiculous and outrageous as those Christians who call themselves 'completed Jews' or some such. Christians are not Jews and Jews are not Christians.

Jewish Christians

"Jewish" Christians are simply Christians who used to be Jews.

This term is used as a contrast to Messianic Jews

"Messianic Jews" are indeed a queer subgroup with no organized or universally-accepted definition. Some MJs believe Jesus to be some sort of messiah but deny any divinity or his membership in a "God-head". (Most Christians would say these MJs are going to Hell just like any other non-believers.) Others are trinitarians who humor some Jewish traditions or behaviors--in reality, they are just Christians too.

[speechlesstx]

Jews for Jesus founder Moishe Rosen was ordained to the ministry 4 years after his conversion. Chosen People Ministries was likewise founded in 1892 by Rabbi Leopold Cohn after his conversion. I know they would take issue with the idea that it's impossible to be both Christian and Jewish.

[Dark_crow]

Several individuals in the first century C.E. claimed to be the Messiah. The Book of Jewish Knowledge comments: “Now the extraordinary thing about these first-century claimants for Messianic distinction was that each served as a rallying point for Jewish revolt against Roman rule. Unlike Jesus, The other 'messiahs' of that period were, without exception, militant firebrands and patriots. So Jesus did not fulfill the nationalistic political expectations of the Jews of his day. However, he did fulfill what the Bible had foretold concerning the first-century coming of the Messiah

[Galveston1]

Like Zach has said, this has been asked many a time and often enough.
You can do a search on Google and come up with some writings:
Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

Jewish author David Klinghoffer did this interview for BeliefNet:
Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus as the Messiah--Interview with David Klinghoffer Judaism Christian Isaiah Christ -- Beliefnet.com

But if you do not want to take some time to read through those articles, you can look at what Rabbi Lerner said when asked "Why Jews Do Not Accept Jesus As The Messiah?"


"In brief:

1. No Jew accepts Jesus as the Messiah. When someone makes that faith commitment, they become Christian. It is not possible for someone to be both Christian and Jewish.
2. Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah because he didn't fulfill Jewish expectations of the Messiah.
3. The Hebrew Bible (called the Old Testament by the non-Jewish world) is not proof for anything in the New Testament regarding a Messiah. "

You can read his complete article here:
Why Jews do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah

The first Church in Jerusalem was all Jewish, and the church remained so until about Acts ch 10, where Peter first preached to gentiles.

The key thought here is "Jewish expectations". If the scribes had bothered to go back to their own prophet Daniel, they could have taken their own calendar and told TO THE DAY when Messiah would come to Jerusalem. Jesus did that!

John 12:37-41
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
(KJV)

God Himself blinded the eyes of the Jewish nation because of their rebellious spirit. Many Jews did, and do, believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, but nationally, that will not happen until during the Great Tribulation.

[Clough]

Belief in anything or not anything is a choice. That is my opinion. It is something that I don't have to prove, but just have to live with as being the choice of a stance that I have made as to whether belief in anything is a choice or not. And, that's okay. I don't even need to "call up the troupes" to support my stance. I can live with it.

I don't see why there is really an argument concerning this.

[adiggs1]

The Jews did not accept Jesus because they were expecting this rich amzing and beautiful man coming on a great horse. But instead Jesus came on a donkey in an everyday robe with a tanned face from work. They just wouldn't accept him because he didn't seem 'cool' to them

[I Newton]

Hi Manchester

Jesus did not do for the Jews what they wanted, so they rejected him; pure and simple.

They wanted to have their traditions to be as accepted as the holy scriptures and this, as it is today, is not acceptable.

As is today, the teachinigs of Jesus are rejected in favour of the traditions and teachings of religious leaders.

The Jews would reject this argument, as religious peole today would also.

[Clough]

It would be interesting to see if manchester thani would return to this thread after having not logged onto this site in over two years. Also, if things would even get going on this thread again, since it's now very old and archived and not generally visible anymore since it's not on the currently active list of threads.

[Fr_Chuck]

Closed, new poster opened 2 year old thread