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    Nov 10, 2007, 01:49 AM
    compressibility factor of water
    Hi,

    I have to calculate the pressure drop in a steel pipe filled with water. To do that I need the compressibility facor of water in relation to the themperature (greek : X).
    There shoould be a graphique that shows the relationship between the two but I can't find it anywhere.
    Is there somebody who can give me a link or even the graphique (or formula) itself?

    Kind regards,

    Peter
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    Nov 10, 2007, 06:40 AM
    Water does not compress. Are you looking for thermal expansion and/or contraction?
    Try this link:
    properties of water - Google Search
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    Nov 10, 2007, 07:23 AM
    I've always been told that water cannot be compressed.
    Do you have something you could share with us (me) to correct my lack of knowledge?
    I'd appreciate your input, Capuchin.
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    Nov 10, 2007, 07:45 AM
    Upon further research, I found this:

    Water (molecule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    The compressibility of water is a function of pressure and temperature. At 0 °C in the limit of zero pressure the compressibility is 5.1×10-5 bar−1. In the zero pressure limit the compressibility reaches a minimum of 4.4×10-5 bar−1 around 45 °C before increasing again with increasing temperature. As the pressure is increased the compressibility decreases, being 3.9×10-5 bar−1 at 0 °C and 1000 bar. The bulk modulus of water is 2.2×109 Pa. The low compressibility of non-gases, and of water in particular, leads to them often being incorrectly labelled as incompressible. The low compressibility of water means that even in the deep oceans at 4000 m depth, where pressures are 4×107 Pa, there is only a 1.8% decrease in volume.
    I wrongly assumed that what I was taught and told was correct. My mistake.
    Peter, I hope this better answers your original concern.
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    Nov 10, 2007, 09:36 AM
    Incompressibility of liquids is a nice simplification that is near enough to true for most applications like pneumatics etc. It simplifies a lot of the math.

    An interesting result of incompressibility is that sound waves cannot propagate through an incompressible medium. This obviously is not the case for everyday materials. :)
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    Nov 10, 2007, 09:49 AM
    Not through, but how about across the surface of such medium?
    **edit** fluid or solid?

    Since my earlier ignorance, I reseached some and learned a little about compessiblity of materials and learned a little about Osmium... unique stuff!
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    Aug 31, 2009, 10:17 PM

    550 of water in a DI pipe at 11 Kg/sqcm pressure, pressure drops to 7 Kg/sqcm. What quantity of water must have been lost. Please give reasons with formulas or some suggestions.
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    Oct 20, 2009, 08:07 AM

    Which has more compressibility water or steel
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    Oct 20, 2009, 08:09 AM
    Which has more compressibility factor (water or steel) ?
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    Oct 20, 2009, 10:09 AM

    Well, ask yourself what can you compress more easily, a metal bar, or a bottle completely filled with water?
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    Nov 12, 2010, 02:17 PM
    There is a compressibility factor for water, but it is ridiculously small, a 1 followed by many 0's until we hit a value.
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    Nov 12, 2010, 02:21 PM
    There is a compressibility factor, but it is ridiculously small, A 1 followed by many zeroes until we hit a number. I don't recall it (who would), but an elementary physics manual should have it.
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    Oct 8, 2011, 08:43 AM
    I do not have a temperature correction handy, but you can likely find this answer in from the same source which I found the answer to compressibility with respect to pressure change.

    From the 'CRC Handbook of Tables for Applied Science', Table 1-50, you can see that compressibility of water is estimated at 0.0045, which is defined as deltaV / V in percent for water for each atm pressure applied, and at 1 atm and atmosperhic temperature (not significantly affected by temperature at range of 0-100 deg F).

    Web address to table:
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/physic...er-150423.html
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    Oct 8, 2011, 08:45 AM
    Sorry I entered an incorrect website link.
    Try this one.

    CRC handbook of tables for applied ... - Ray E. Bolz, George Lewis Tuve - Google Books

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