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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:00 AM
    The End!
    T. S. Eliot:
    "What we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from."

    Isn't this true?





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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:04 AM
    Go on then when I end what would be the start
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by albear
    go on then when i end what would be the start
    By end do you mean death or something else?
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:07 AM
    Death is not the end, in my own personal belief it is just the beginning. I guess, the above statements in your post everybody could take something different from it. (;
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    By end do you mean death or something else?
    I mean that whatever I am will cease to be
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by albear
    i mean that whatever i am will cease to be
    That would be the beginning of a new understanding, what this life was all about.On our deaths do we really understand what this life had been about.

    And we see the beginning of what is beyond death.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    On our deaths do we really understand what this life had been about.
    I don't think we will, I think that when I die I will just disappear, only the physical remnants of what was me will remain, and that won't be for that long.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by albear
    i dont think we will, i think that when i die i will just dissapear, only the physical remnants of what was me will remain, and that wont be for that long.
    You don't have to take the quote only with death.
    Think of something else /another incident in life this quote seems to fit for you.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:28 AM
    OK then, my toes I see as the end of my body, and my head as the start,according to your quote up above, I start from my toes and that makes my head the end but then your quote turns it back around to my first statement and so on it's a never ending circle, so therefore the quote is telling me that I don't start and I don't end
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by albear
    ok then, my toes i see as the end of my body, and my head as the start,according to your quote up above, i start from my toes and that makes my head the end but then your quote turns it back around to my first statement and so on its a never ending circle, so therefore the quote is telling me that i dont start and i dont end
    That is an interesting way to look at it...
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    That is an interesting way to look at it...
    It is isn't it, I actually improvised that one but its got me thinking
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:44 AM
    Do share...
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    Do share...
    OK here goes, so if I don't start and I don't end then technically I don't exist, which is true to some people, (the ones who haven't seen me or know about anythng to do with me, I mean if the person behind the alias was to stop visiting this site but someone else was to carry on the account you would not know, and hence you would not know that I existed, but for the people that do know I exist according to the quote (and my logic) don't exist which in turn invalidates my existence... wow, does that make any sense.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:56 AM
    It does make sense in some ways... yes.

    Are you planning to do a disappearing act?
    ;)Just kidding.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 10:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    It does make sense in some ways...yes.

    Are you planning to do a disappearing act?
    ;)Just kidding.
    Good, I thought I might be going a little strange

    ... not quite yet, I was just using it as an example
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    Oct 18, 2007, 12:32 PM
    Those are such wise words. All beginnings are the end of something else, and all that ends is a chance for a new beginning.

    People here use to get mad at me for my signature that said that there are no happy endings. That is my belief. No endings are happy

    Letting that thought go for now, just thinking of the happy beginnings full of expectations of new experiences... like spring is a happy new beginning for all life rising from the earth after the death of nature under a long gold snow filled winter.
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    Oct 18, 2007, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Choux
    Those are such wise words. All beginnings are the end of something else, and all that ends is a chance for a new beginning.

    People here use to get mad at me for my signature that said that there are no happy endings. That is my belief. No endings are happy

    Letting that thought go for now, just thinking of the happy beginnings full of expectations of new experiences.......like spring is a happy new beginning for all life rising from the earth after the death of nature under a long gold snow filled winter.
    If some people have a problem with something like that its theirproblem not yours I hope you didn't take it down for their sakes
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    Oct 19, 2007, 07:04 AM
    The quote is about personal evolution.
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    Oct 19, 2007, 10:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    the quote is about personal evolution.
    Personal evolution sounds like a nice way of putting it.
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    Oct 21, 2007, 05:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    T. S. Eliot:
    "What we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from."

    Isnt this true?





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    At the end of myself is where I find the beginning of my Savior. At the end of my efforts is where my God takes over.

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