[RickJ]

The Government does not have alien or alien craft remains.

No one can bend a spoon with their mind.

There is no monster in Loch Ness.

FDR is blameless for the Pearl Harbor attack.

JFK is overrated.

Nixon is underrated.

... armchair philosopher and debate lover who couldn't resist being the first to post :p

[PrettyLady]

Since the admin created this forum for me and my so call quarrelling friends to debate. I will debate you, rickj.

The Government has an underground facility. Perhaps, it has the remains of small grey aliens and their alien crafts. Shsssh, don't tell anyone, it's top secret.

Yes, some people can bend a spoon with their mind. They are call telekinesis. Telekinesis have the ability to move an object on the physical plane using only psychic power. However, it's open to interpretation.

The Loch Ness is supposedly a myth. There's no monster in Loch Ness because Nessie ran off with Bigfoot.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s decisions were deliberate and calculated. He provoked the Japanese to launch an attack on Pearl Harbor. FDR and the Federal Government are to blame for the lost of so many lives.

Indeed, JFK is overrated. I hope they don't make another JFK movie. John F. Kennedy gave satan himself (Castro) power to do whatever he wanted. Then, started the Vietnam war, which should have never happened in the first place.

Yes, Nixon is underrated. Nixon was reelected twice, but he was best known for the WATERGATE scandal, 18 minute gap in tapes, and having the IRS investigate. We finally found out the identity of Deep Throat. Apparently, there's a movie in the making about Deep Throat (W. Mark Felt).

[tjr]

You have posted you're list of debatable subjects,and for the most part I agree with you.However on the subject of alien spacecraft I have one question.
When the so called spacecraft crashed and was found the air force released an announcement to the press "we have recoveredan alien spacecraft"
This is of course a paraphrase but the jist is correct.
My problem is noy that it was an alien spacecraft or not but that any air force official couldn't tell the difference between a weather baloon,no matter what high tech fabric was used or not, and a spacecraft!
What kind of f.. king moron doesn't know the differrence?
Was it some kind of top secret government spy plane or possibly Russian,
But to try and tell me that the air force capt.(?) didn't know the differrence is nothing less than absurd!!

[Chery]

Boy, this sounds like fun!



By the way the correct spelling is telekinetics of you are talking about the people and not the talent.


What do you think of 'seers' and the world's governments' use of them?

Didn't Pres Johnson's wife own munitions factories and had to keep up revenue, therefore him keeping Viet Nam going?

I didn't know Bigfoot could swim, and Nessie can't do without water.

JFK might have sponsored Castro. Who sponsored Sadam?

Does anyone still believe in that 'magic bullet'? Can't wait until we can see the archives, if they still exist.

Who let Nixon and Johnson get as far as they did? No 'one man' is all powerful but a puppet, just as the Popes of all eras.

If and when I get the opportunity to see a spaceship, I'll be the first to pack my suitcase and cat and run to catch it - this planet is ready to get rid of us two-legged beasts that have done more damage than good. I can already see those cockroaches rolling over laughing when the terrorists and natural disasters are finished with us.

Not sure if FDR was calculating or not, but the Japanese almost took over China and Korea - someone thought they had to be stopped. Just as some think that most Muslim fanatics must be stopped in this era. I guess there is some truth in the saying 'history repeats itself'

Nobody wanted to listen to Nostradamus either, oh, well - Power to the Blinders people wear for convenience. Unfortunately, even Hitler was a convenience to some countries until the media took the issue to the people and making those in power do something about it or lose face.

Was this worth my 2 cents, or do I get change back?
:confused:

[PrettyLady]

Hello Tjr,

There's so many conspiracy theory about flying saucers that it's unbelievable. There are quite a lot of man made air crafts that look odd and unusual, therefore, the air force officials can't tell if it's alien or human. But then again, they're highly trained and they should know the difference between an alien aircraft and a man made object.


Chery, Yes, people with Telekinesis are called Telekinetics and they can bend objects like spoons, fork and pencils . I did say that it was open to interpretation.

I'm familiar with the word "seer." People love to talk to me about my name and it's affiliation with seers Greek and Roman Mythology. If your referring to Church and State, I believe in the freedom of religion. Nobody can prove that anyone else’s religion is wrong and nobody can prove that theirs is right. We can't really assume that the others are completely wrong and we can’t assume that our own religion is completely right. Religion and God is so much more than we can fully understand at this time.

I was being sarcastic about Nessis and Bigfoot. They say the whole Bigfoot phenomena is a hoax, but I'm not sure about Nessie, maybe there is a snake like reptilian swimming around Lock Ness. But I think it might have swam his way to the Jersey Shore because I saw 3 humps floating in the water as I sat there with my boyfriend. Perhaps, it was some kids playing around with their inflatable water toys. ;)

It was definitely worth putting your 2 cents in, we should all express our thoughts and opinions more often and have fun doing it.

[RickJ]

:p OK, RickJ is to blame for starting this mess :p

How about telekinesis?

I know of many offers of big rewards - that go unpaid - to anyone who can move an object under close scrutiny.

Does that not seem like the best evidence that it is not possible? Are there any famous claimants, nowadays, of telekinesis?

[Chery]

:p OK, RickJ is to blame for starting this mess :p

How about telekinesis?

I know of many offers of big rewards - that go unpaid - to anyone who can move an object under close scrutiny.

Does that not seem like the best evidence that it is not possible? Are there any famous claimants, nowadays, of telekinesis?

Don't know rickj, it's not one of my top 10 on the list of 'to do's'. I also was in Scottland and did not see Nessie, but that does not mean she does or does not exist either. I, for one, do not think of this as a 'mess'. It was fun reading as well as responding to. If there is anything I dislike most, it is a boring day-since life is so short and mostly tragic and/or mundane. If people no longer had the ability to question things and keep a healthy sense of humor, this would certainly be one heck of a boring place to live.
Thanks to both of you for 'making another day' pleasant for me and Happy Halloween! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_1_217.gif Darn, for some reason, my smilies (which I've become addicted to) don't seem to work on this post, it worked on all others today though. TTFN ;)

[Chery]

Made my day! Thanks and Happy Halloween

[fredg]

Very Good Comments; you beat me to it... fredg

[fredg]

Hi,
The Air Force and the Fed. Gov't, I am convinced, have "not of this world" evidence hidden away... probably Roswell, NM.
There are just too many personal sitings and comments to be ignored. Personal friends, cousins, other family members, have seen objects at night, from the tops of high mountains (Smokey mountains), that were not balloons! Balloons can't travel unbelievable speeds at right angle turns, and be gone out of sight in less than a second.
It's hard for me to believe that in the entire Universe, there are those who still think we are the only living creatures with thinking ability.
There are those who can move glasses, cups, etc, on a table with their minds; not touching them at all. Larger universities have on-going experiments with this type of thing.
As far as politicians, I am extremely leary of just about all of them. They have allowed Exxon/Mobile to have the largest profit in history the last quarter (9.9 Billion Dollars) at the expense of "demand". The only "demand" should be from the American voters to have "limits" placed on corporations' prices, and not only gas. The President and the Congress of the US allow Senior Citizens (who have a LARGE voting number now), starve, trying to pay for prescription medications, from the large drug corporations, and won't put any curbs on them at all, or will not help Seniors. The latest prescription medication package with paying $35 a month for United Health Care prescription supplemental coverage, attached to Medicare, is a farce.
JFK was a an adulterer while President of the US, upholding our American dreams and ideals... what's wrong with that picture!
Nixon was a law-breaker, while President of the US, so what else is new.
Now, who is going to stop the slaughter of American boys and men in uniform (and no uniforms) in Iraq? Another Vietnam. The billions of dollars of money spent by the Fed Gov't in other countries could be used here; or at least some of it, to benefit the Seniors in America, and others homeless. But, that will not happen as long as the President and Congress keep accepting money from large corporations to look the other way, and the American voter keeps letting it happen.
That's my 1 cent's worth.

[NeedKarma]

* if the US Gov had these crafts or aliens I believe if would be very hard to keep such a thing secret for so long. But then again Deep Throat's identity was hidden for a good number of years - but alien anything is bigger news.

* Didn't Johnny Carson publicly humiliate Uri Geller on the Tonight Show years ago? http://skepdic.com/geller.html (link there to the Tonight Show segment)

* Loch Ness monster? Nah, they've scanned the crap out of that lake.

* US presidents? Power corrupts absolutely. Just watched "Outfoxed" and was quite outraged. I recommend getting it by bittorrent 'cause it'll be hard to get it otherwise.

[Chery]

I can already feel those angry vibes from others, but please understand this is only my opinion... and that I'm only human too.
1. It is not logical to think that this ball we live on is the only one which there is intelligent life, either more or less intelligent, but life nevertheless. There have also been sightings here in Europe. And to those who believe that God created the earth, then He could have created all those little twinkly things we see in the night's sky too.
2. I have not seen objects actually moved myself, but know those who have seen it and there are studies going on in Heidelberg, Germany.
3. There is also an enzyme that the U.S. Government and U.S. Navy have been using for years that cleans military kitchen drains, submarine engines, airplane engines, etc by eating grease and oil without leaving residue and just needs rinsing with water. The oil companies could have paid to use this also to clean up the 'accidents' on several seacoasts, but it is 'too expensive' and who cares about some sealife or the future (a little sarcasm), if it does not pay for itself now... The inventor is known by a personal friend (Hi Bob, just in case your are reading this forum) and he got his start in Ireland. Can you believe he gave himself a 10 year suspense period to complete his project and almost gave up on the last year! I got a chance to read the original documentation before it got patented.
4. Lets face it, pharmaceuticals (who make enough money to treat the third world for practically nothing), oil companies and governments are not interested in the people except for their MONEY and VOTES. How many patents for gasoline-free cars have been bought just to keep the cars off the production line? Nature produces medicines that we can use at home when educated in the use- once learned, we would not need those expensive little pills, that's why a lot of nature's ingredients will never be approved by the FDA or any other 'authority' or made legal.
5. This world has turned unfriendly towards children and the elderly because they cost too much, some don't even like renting to couples in childbearing age because of the potential noise and damage. The elderly just live too long now. The drugs that are produced to create longevity bring in money, but the people now live longer and just get in the way and nobody wants to take responsibility for them when they can no longer take care of themselves while others are too busy taking care of 'business'. Sad but true... So, lets just put them in an inferior home, let them rot in a corner somewhere until they finally go, after all, they've done their duty and paid their taxes and raised their kids, but are of no further use. You know, terminally sick and untreatable animals get treated better by 'humanity' via euthenasia with a human paying and making the choice legal - but when a human adult chooses to leave with dignity, it is against the law. The excuse of 'saving lives' is used to maintain quantity of life even on tubes, just to keep that money coming in. (can you tell this is a touchy subject for me and a soapbox issue as well) At least I feel that I have the right to have quality time remaining, not just quantity to appease others. Boy, I know I'll get reprisals from a lot of people on this issue and the 7th.
6. Kennedy, Clinton, even Jefferson.. well what can you say about humans and their weaknesses of the flesh. Some cannot control themselves and each had their pros and cons, as every human. But there are some catacombs under a place I will not name that has a few fetal skeletons and I wonder where they came from... so to me, this is an animalistic issue, two or four legged.
7. Medicine, yes, well I remember when living in California, there was this senator (last name Kennedy) who tried to introduce a medical system in the 70's, and just because some people associated socialized with socialism, this medical system was voted against. Who knows, maybe if they tried a more educated or openminded stategy then? Please don't let me get started on politics, - I do also remember an Austrian a long time ago.who had ideas of how the world should be and also did not keep promises, sure hope the U.S Constitution does not get changed for another one. No offense, but I love his acting better, and there is no other comparrison.
8. We are living the age of World War III, but this time the enemy is not that obvious using weapons that are beyond belief. Plus we finally must face the fact that 'money makes the world go round' is not just a phrase, but fact.
In spite of all this, I plan on living, helping, laughing, hoping and caring till the last minute.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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[ScottGem]

How about telekinesis?

I know of many offers of big rewards - that go unpaid - to anyone who can move an object under close scrutiny.

Does that not seem like the best evidence that it is not possible? Are there any famous claimants, nowadays, of telekinesis?

This response isn't as much about Telekinesis as it is about that last point.

Just because something hasn't been done or hasn't been proved is no evidence at all that it isn't possible. Just over a century ago, most people felt it would be impossible to fly, let alone leave this rock and venture into outer space.

There are very few things that I would deem impossible (a human male giving birth to a child is way at the top of that list). Few things have been proven to be totally against the laws of science as we know it. It has been proven that the average human uses about 10% of the potential of our brains (some a lot less <eg>). Who knows what that other 90% is capable of?

Scott<>

[ScottGem]

Good comments but not very historically accurate

[RickJ]

Good point. "Not Possible" is way too strong.

I am convinced, though, that no one up to now has shown, beyond any doubt, that they can do it.

[ScottGem]

The Goverment has an underground facility. Perhaps, it has the remains of small grey aliens and their alien crafts. Shsssh, don't tell anyone, it's top secret.

Yes, some people can bend a spoon with their mind. They are call telekinesis. Telekinesis have the ability to move an object on the physical plane using only psychic power. However, it's open to interpretation.

The Loch Ness is supposedly a myth. There's no monster in Loch Ness because Nessie ran off with Bigfoot.

No Comment

President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s decisions were deliberate and calculated. He provoked the Japanese to launch an attack on Pearl Harbor. FDR and the Federal Government are to blame for the lost of so many lives.

Yes, FDR did provoke the Japanese. He did this by refusing to sell them steel to build more planes and ships to carry out aggressions they had already started. Did he deliberately induce Pearl Harbor? I don't believe that. FDR would have been more likely to get Hitler to attack so he could more openly help the British.

Indeed, JFK is overrated. I hope they don't make another JFK movie. John F. Kennedy gave satan himself (Castro) power to do whatever he wanted. Then, started the Vietnam war, which should have never happened in the first place.

Yes JKF was overrated to some extent. But mostly because he didn't have a chance to finish what he started. Also JFK was in no way responsible for Nam. Troops were first sent to Nam under Ike. It was LBJ who escalated US involvement and really made it a war.

Yes, Nixon is underrated. Nixon was reelected twice, but he was best known for the WATERGATE scandal, 18 minute gap in tapes, and having the IRS investigate. We finally found out the identity of Deep Throat. Apparently, there's a movie in the making about Deep Throat (W. Mark Felt).

Underrated? I would think so. His hubris, his egomania, his questionable morals have not been painted as bad as they were. The only reason he was re-elected to a second term was because he ended the Vietnam war. The problem with that is he could have ended it 3 years earlier. What he did should have been done when he first took office, but he (deliberately IMHO) waited until near the end of his term so as to ensure his re-election.

Scott<>

[Nez]

Wow... just got back from Agia Napa,Cyprus where it was 93c,and this post looks just as hot.As I'm on a high after the sun (the weather where I live in the UK is rubbish in November),so I'l add my pennies worth.
Don't believe in aliens,we are alone in the universe.We are unique.FDR probably DID know that the Japanese would attack the US at some point,due to lack of natural resources,but probably not Pearl Harbor.He would'nt deliberately sacrifice all those lives.However,since his meeting with Churchill off Newfoundland,in August 1941,and the lend-lease policy,he knew that eventually the Japanese would have to be faced.JFK,inexperianced,lost the plot over the Bay of Pigs,Cuba,ill advized,but a decent man.His death to this day is still causing an outpouring of many books.Nixon,I liked him because he was a weasle :D ,but a complete B for prolonging the Vietnam war.Bigfoot,Nessie,yawn yawn,tourist traps to bring in the money.A good idea.Finally telekinesis,moving objects by thought.Before my holiday,on Channel 4 television,here in the UK,was a rational documentary on German secret weapons at the end of WW2.One of them was an anti-gravity device,using magnets.The US military had the scientists and the equipment moved to Nevada in 1946.Honest...

[ScottGem]

Interesting to get a Brit viewpoint on US history.

[s_cianci]

The Government does not have alien or alien craft remains.

No one can bend a spoon with their mind.

There is no monster in Loch Ness.

FDR is blameless for the Pearl Harbor attack.

JFK is overrated.

Nixon is underrated.

...armchair philosopher and debate lover who couldn't resist being the first to post :p

Only thing I might find questionable is the one about FDR being blameless for the Pearl Harbor Attack.

[Katiy]

What about Tom Cruise? Isn't he an alien?