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    fredg Posts: 4,926, Reputation: 674
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    #21

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:24 AM
    Confused
    Hi,
    What's it been since you first posted about your confusion, maybe a couple of weeks? A month?
    Give this some time. You say you are dating others, but really, it hasn't been very long. She has another person she is dating also.
    You may never have a chance with this girl for real love. Give yourself a few months, like more than 2, and see what happens.
    You can't get your mind off someone in a month or two. It sometimes takes a year or two, depending on if you are really in love.
    If she really wants you, is in love with you, she will come see you; not send you messages, emails, phone calls, etc. True love will find a way. Friendship is different. She is a friend at this point, that's all.
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    #22

    Nov 13, 2005, 12:12 PM
    Avoid heartache
    How Attraction Works For WOMEN


    AN INTERESTING STORY (OR SO)...

    There are two basic stories for how men and
    Women "start off" together, and two basic stories
    For how men and women "end up".

    Through all of time, I'm sure that men and
    Women have been playing out these stories... and
    I'm sure that they'll continue to play them out
    Long into the future (that is, unless I have
    Something to say about it... and I do).

    THE MEETING STORIES

    Here's "Meeting Story #1":

    Boy is attracted to girl. Unfortunately, boy
    Doesn't have a clue about how to make girl feel
    ATTRACTION for him... so, instead he tries to
    "pursue" girl by offering her dinners, gifts, and
    Flowers. Girl finds boy "nice", but there are no
    "sparks", so she "just likes him as a friend".

    Here's "Meeting Story #2":

    Boy is attracted to girl. Fortunately for him,
    Boy understands ATTRACTION, and begins to
    Communicate with girl in a way that makes her feel
    A powerful physical and emotional response for boy
    That she can't control. The sparks fly, and boy
    And girl "get together".

    As I'm sure you know...

    In story #1, GIRL is in total control of the
    Situation and both of them know it.

    In story #2, BOY is the one who's in control of
    The situation.

    THE STORIES OF HOW THINGS "END UP"

    Let's assume that somehow, boy and girl
    Actually "get together". Things usually go one of
    Two ways after that...

    Here's "End Up Story #1":

    Boy and girl get together. Boy realizes that he
    "REALLY likes" girl. Boy begins to act more and
    More predictable. Boy starts to share "how he
    feels" about girl too often. Boy becomes more and
    More submissive. Girl loses that feeling of
    ATTRACTION that she once had for boy and has no
    Way of explaining or understanding why. Girl
    Leaves boy and boy is left wondering what
    Happened.

    Here's "End Up Story #2":

    Boy and girl get together. Boy understands that
    No matter how much he likes girl, he cannot let
    Himself become a Wussy who chases girl around
    "sharing how he feels" and becomes boring. Boy
    Keeps the relationship interesting and he keeps
    Challenging girl. Boy stays in control of himself,
    And by understanding his role as "The Man" in the
    Relationship, keeps girl interested and attracted
    To him into the future.

    And again, as I'm sure you know...

    In story #1, GIRL is in total control of the
    Situation and both of them know it.

    In story #2, BOY is the one who's in control of
    The situation.

    If you look at your experience with women, I'm
    Sure you'll see that these short stories describe
    MOST of the experiences you've had.

    Now, of course there are slight twists and
    Variations, but the message is clear:

    YOU MUST UNDERSTAND HOW ATTRACTION WORKS FOR
    WOMEN... AND HOW TO KEEP THE ATTRACTION GOING
    WHEN YOU MEET A WOMAN YOU REALLY LIKE.

    If you don't understand ATTRACTION and how it
    Works, then you are destined to keep playing out
    These same stories for the rest of your life. It's
    Very unlikely that you'll stumble upon the "magic
    solution" by accident...

    ATTRACTION IS DIFFERENT FOR WOMEN THAN IT IS FOR
    MEN - VERY DIFFERENT

    The reality is that you CAN stop this negative
    Pattern if you WANT to.

    But the key is:

    1) Understanding how ATTRACTION works for WOMEN.

    2) Understanding YOURSELF, so you don't ALLOW
    Yourself to act like a Wussy, become boring and
    Turn a good thing into a bad one... but instead
    You do the RIGHT things to keep everything on the
    Right track.

    If you know how to make a woman feel ATTRACTION
    For you, then you can control your destiny with
    Women. If you DON'T know how to make a woman feel
    ATTRACTION for you, then you cannot control your
    Destiny with women.

    Read that paragraph again, and think about it
    For a minute before you go on.

    OK, so I mentioned that ATTRACTION is very
    Different for women than it is for men.

    Different how?

    What do I mean by that?. Well, generally
    Speaking, for a woman, ATTRACTION is a PROCESS...
    Not an "event". It happens over time, and it
    Becomes stronger or weaker depending upon how well
    The man in the situation understands how it works.

    For a man, ATTRACTION is much more of an
    "event", meaning that it's either there or it
    Isn't. It really doesn't matter whether the
    Woman understands how it works. (As an interesting
    Side note, if a woman really knows how ATTRACTION
    Works, and her intention is to manipulate a man,
    It usually works VERY well.)

    So, think of a woman's "Attraction Mechanism"
    More like a volume knob than a light switch.

    It's like a fantastic, classy old car that
    Needs to warm up for a long time before you can
    Drive it... not like a brand new Honda that you
    Can start up and get right on the freeway with.

    Here's a little secret about women and
    ATTRACTION: If you'll just take a little longer in
    Every situation to AMPLIFY a woman's ATTRACTION,
    She'll love you for it... and you'll experience
    Rewards that will make the extra time you spent
    Seem like the best investment of your entire life.

    Here are a few specific tips for you for the
    "Meeting Phase":

    1) Start with something STRONG, not WEAK.

    When a guy finds a girl interesting, he usually
    Turns into a ball of nervous mush. Then, he
    Usually makes the mistake of letting the woman
    KNOW that he's nervous and weak.

    Don't do it.

    Do something STRONG.

    Challenge her.

    If she thinks that she's cool, make fun of her.
    If she's smart, argue with her a little. If she's
    Doing something, tell her that you could do it
    Better.

    When you PUSH a little, and show some BACKBONE,
    She'll push back. That's your sign that the GAME
    IS ON.

    If you just chase after her like the 100 other
    Wussies that have been bothering her this week,
    You will just be another boring, predictable face
    In the crowd.

    2) Keep the TENSION UP.

    One of my favorite concepts is "Never let the
    line go slack".

    This means that once you SPARK the "chemistry"
    Or "sexual tension", you need to KEEP IT UP.

    Just because she starts doing things that hint
    To you that she's interested, doesn't mean that
    It's time to STOP. Quite the opposite, actually.

    Turn UP the volume a little. It's working, so
    Do more!

    3) Tease.

    The word "tease" has a couple of meanings.

    One of the meanings has to do with doing things
    That are slightly annoying to get a response from
    Someone.

    The other meaning is subtly different and has
    To do with drawing out a response that you want by
    Doing certain things that indirectly trigger it.

    Do both.

    If you're about to kiss her, wait until your
    Lips are so close that you can almost feel her...
    And then STOP. Pull away, and smile.

    If you want to know how she feels about you,
    Say, "You LOVE me" in a condescending tone of
    Voice, and see how she responds. If she says "NO I
    DON'T!" in an exaggerated, mocking way, then she
    Probably DOES "love" you.

    Teasing is fantastic. Do more of it.

    And here are a few tips for the "End Up" phase:

    1) Never become BORING.

    Being predictable and boring is a cardinal sin
    When it comes to ATTRACTION.

    Don't do either.

    Of course, telling a man not to be predictable
    Is like telling a dog not to hump your leg.

    Most guys are PAINFULLY predictable.

    We LIKE being predictable, actually. I get it.

    But, when it comes to a woman you enjoy, you'd
    Better figure out a way to STOP IT.

    There's nothing that will kill the sparks
    Faster than her knowing what you're about to do or
    Say.

    2) Don't hand over control.

    Women like men who make decisions and take the
    Lead. Now, I'm not saying that women like men who
    Are overly controlling. What I am saying is that
    Women don't like guys who are always saying things
    Like, "I don't know, what do YOU want to do,
    baby?".

    Women don't want men that they can control, so
    Don't be one.

    3) Respect yourself and keep your own interests.

    When a guy meets a woman he likes, he often
    Wants to spend as much time as possible with her.

    This is natural, of course.

    But there's a big danger here as well.

    If you put your life aside for a woman, you
    Will become less interesting to HER.

    In the long run, it's MUCH better to keep your
    Friends, your interests, and your hobbies, and to
    Spend time doing the things you enjoy... WITHOUT
    HER.

    And I think it's VERY important to keep
    Improving yourself as a person, and continue to be
    A guy that she can look up to and respect.

    As soon as you start acting like she's going to
    Be around forever, she'll start feeling less and
    Less ATTRACTION for you.

    THE BIGGER PICTURE

    Now, as you read these examples, can you see
    The bigger picture forming?

    Can you see the deeper message?

    The deeper message is that you need to
    Understand how ATTRACTION works for women and you
    Need to do those things that keep the ATTRACTION
    BUILDING FOREVER.

    Now, where does this all begin?

    It begins with YOU.

    And it begins with you learning how to control
    Yourself and your emotions. It begins with you
    Understanding the history of how and why
    Men and women become attracted to each other. It
    Begins with you learning the basics of how to use
    Subtle body language and communication to make
    Women feel ATTRACTION for you.

    And what's the best way to get this "in depth"
    Education?

    You need to get some of your "Inner Game"
    Issues handled, and you need to learn how to
    Really get control of your emotional life. If this
    Is you, then I recommend you check out my "Deep
    Inner Game" program.
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    #23

    Nov 13, 2005, 12:38 PM
    Tahts great, but I guess I need some more specifics eh... come on I know yo all are out there dying to help me eh hehe
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    #24

    Nov 13, 2005, 12:46 PM
    It's called creating gattraction again. You need this. Be busy. Don't accept the 'friendzone'.
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    #25

    Nov 13, 2005, 01:11 PM
    Understandable, but the point is I'm sure I have beeen, I haven't been chasing her and I haven't beeen giving in, I've beeen busy, I've been with other girls and its obvious with the fact she is always asking me to hang out etc and calling me so forth that I have, its just a simple question of how do I go about communicating with her again after this long and after being busy... how do I begin hanging out with her again without the risk of losing the upper hand, do I just break down and call her and set something up on my terms, basically it boils down to I've been doing the stay busy part, and its worked she's obviously attracted to me again, so how do I go about playing off this attraction without sacraficing it, basically since she still calls and I don't return her calls should I just out of the blue call her one day or would that be a no go?
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    #26

    Nov 14, 2005, 10:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by collegehockey
    ... So I guess my question is two tiered, am I off base in thinking she wants to rekindle our past, and that she really only does want friendship? And in the case that she wants more, how do I go about that with her, it's a fine line to walk when trying to get back together with someone, how do I continue to hold the upper hand in not calling her back and being needy combined with wanting to hang out with her etc...it's just that I know rule number 1 is that you dont be available and needy, but how do I go about contacting then?? ...
    Read all your posts to bring me up to speed and this is what I think... Never assume anything, ANYTHING! All the calls, emails, text messages... if she threw herself naked on your bed, you shouldn't assume she wants you. You should ask, do you want me?? The point is, make her say it, crystal clear. Don't play games cause in games there is always a loser, should I call... will it give her the upper hand... yada, yada, yada. Call if you want, keep it short, funny and casual. Not every day or even twice a week, once every other or so. Don't let her predict your next move, but don't ignore her to the point where she may figure you don't have interest and she find herself attracted to someone else who does give her a little attention. If she calls you for a date, make it lunch and keep it on a schedule. Light hearted, fun, short... it will keep her attention just enough.
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    #27

    Nov 15, 2005, 02:22 AM
    Well, it's obvious you both still like each other. Hard to move on that way isn't it.

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