[jackie223]

I know how you feel when you say this has affected the way you feel about dating, I myself am married to a man that has biploar muli personality disorder for 19yrs it has affected me in a way that I can't even think of sleeping with him, I use to say the things he says and does or don't do isn't is fault but its at the point its been almost 2 yrs since I sleept in the same bed as him,, I want out of this marriage so bad I started a full time job I have 4 kids and I have plans hopefully within the next 6 months of taking the kids and getting the heck out of here and with that I don't ever want to be in a realionship again,now I feel I lost 19yrs of my younth so the next step is someday just enjoy the grandchildern I will have oneday, I throw 19yrs down the drain ill never get those yrs back all for a man that has no clue what he did to his family

[Chery]

i know how you feel when you say this has affected the way you feel about dating,,i myself am married to a man that has biploar muli personality disorder for 19yrs it has affected me in a way that i can't even think of sleeping with him,,i use to say the things he says and does or dont do isnt is fault but its at the point its been almost 2 yrs since i sleept in the same bed as him,,,i want out of this marriage so bad i started a full time job i have 4 kids and i have plans hopefully within the next 6 months of taking the kids and getting the heck out of here and with that i dont ever want to be in a realionship again,now i feel i lost 19yrs of my younth so the next step is someday just enjoy the grandchildern i will have oneday,,i throw 19yrs down the drain ill never get those yrs back all for a man that has no clue what he did to his family

Oh, Jackie, bless you for holding on for that long. I bet is was hell. You were rewarded, however, by those children of yours. I wish all the best for you and your children,, and a lot of Healthy grandchildren!

Thank you so much for sharing... it will do her some good to know that sometimes bipolars just don't leave their family members a choice.

[rysco13]

Run while you still can! I have been living with my bipolar boyfriend for a year and a half now. My life has been a living hell for well over half that time. I know I should have left a long time ago but I loved him and wanted him to get help and be healthy... If he hasn't yet, then soon he will become physically abusive. I am talking knives to your throat, strangulations, punches etc... but you justify his actions because he's sick . So you stay to help him through his disease only to find that there is something much more traumatic than physical abuse - mental abuse. Bipolars are very very good at making you feel like the smallest person in the world. A single word from them could make you break down and cry. Then you have the public embarrassments. My boyfriend loves doing this. He has yelled at guys in parking lots and said " Anyone want some P*S*Y? There's a whore here". I am the opposite of a whore but in his mind, I am nothing but. He has poured drinks on me and my food while eating out for no reason. He has jumped out of a moving car numerous times etc... Mine has also caused me to lose a very good job, get arrested, and I am in huge debt right now. He has broken a dining room table, coffee table, $2000 flat screen TV, keyed my car and broke a mirrow, ripped clothes, broke jewery, ripped up pictures, punched holes in the wall... so much. Then I am blamed for it. You soon get to a point when you start believing him and you try soooo hard to make him not snap.. you walk on egg shells so your whole day or week isn't ruined by upsetting him. Mine is also a drug addict and alcoholic so that makes it better. I am sorry for being sarcastic and kind of cold about this but it's not worth it. Your whole life will go down the drain and you'll end up with a personality disorder of your own. You'll lose family and friends, self esteem, goals, everything. There's a reason why no one else wants to help him... he has already pushed them away from abuse. If he doesn't think he has a problem, he probably never will. So you tried right? You may love him but its really not worth it. My boyfriend did take medication for a while and it did help, but since he can't keep a job he now has no insurance. His prescriptions would run about $1000 a month with out. He took Risperdol (spell? It's an anti-psychotic), lamictol (an anti-seizure), and lexapro (anti depressant). If you stay, you'll soon reach the "it's not worth it" point. I have to stay with him for now because of the financial mess he put me through, but I will be leaving when I have enough $$. You're life will slowly go down hill if you stay with him untreated. Good luck

[catjiang]

Are you becky?

[cerulean]

are you becky?

Lol No.:p

[cerulean]

Oh, Jackie, bless you for holding on for that long. I bet is was hell. You were rewarded, however, by those children of yours. I wish all the best for you and your children,,, and a lot of Healthy grandchildren!

Thank you so much for sharing... it will do her some good to know that sometimes bipolars just don't leave their family members a choice.

Sometimes I wish I had kids.. maybe it would make up for a few things..

He's been telling me lately that his parents are "confirming" that he has an "ugly temper" and that he is not easy to deal with. He told me this as though I didn't know this, or as if was evidence beyond what I had said to him or knew already. He said he cried last night.

Somehow all this is falling around me like so much snow around my shoulders in July. I really don't know what to believe, if he is contrite, sorry, etc.

I asked "but then you always do it again".. I told him he can't control it when he told me that he wouldn't get mad any more. He said "I think I probably can".. but that means he thinks he just never tried to control it before.:rolleyes:

[cerulean]

Nods, well I don't tend to "flirt" anyway. I am a very friendly person, but flirting seems insincere online when a person is treating all the same way. I realized it's a fake way to be, so I don't do it, although I am friendly for the most part.

Its not that I even want to meet someone for a serious relationship. The more time goes by, the more confined I feel at the thought of being w/ someone. I feel that my "wild oats" have not, by a long shot, been "sown".

This is depressing because Im not that young anymore, Im getting older, but I have to be what I have to be.

I guess I just meant, he is draining me.. sometimes he makes me look out at the world and wonder if anyone good is even there. If the world is just filled with issue ridden, angry people.

"Do you think if he admits all this is not true, he will realize he is seriously ill because he was hallucinating people that looked totally real but were not really there?" <- I doubt it very much, he will most likely blame it on the pot.

As a point of interest, pot can make you hallucinate if you smoke a hell of alot of it - believe me, I know. A couple of years ago (during my "drug-days"), a mate and I got so stoned we started to hallucinate - he was watching an army of green (yes, green) smurfs play tennis and then wanted to join in (this is funny to watch when you can't see the smurfs) and I thought the ground was rolling, like the waves of an ocean, and I was sitting on the bed with my arms spread trying to keep my balance ... sjoe .. was hectic. NEWAY...


"I think its affected the way I feel about wanting to date again. Ive been single for 7 years and even though I never committed to this guy, I havent dated anyone else or flirted with anyone else. This only makes me want to stay single for more time." <- that is a sort negative repetitive cycle, a catch-22 if you will. its something you will need to work on, but don't expect it to happen anytime soon. your mind needs to heal enough for it to conciously tell you that your ready to move on. you can't date anyone, or flirt with anyone because you, subconciously at the least, still feel obligated to this man.

[cerulean]

You know, this just reminds me not to allow him to make me take too much time off from my work. He had asked me to, and I said yes, and he said he would reimburse me, and when the time comes for him to do that, he takes his time, I spend time worrying, and I wonder if Im going to go in debt or make others wait to be paid their money that I owe them, you know, the usual bills that have to be paid monthly.

This makes me very wary, I would never want to lose my job from taking too much time off.. I don't even feel that he's someone I can RELY on, even though he has at times helped me. The price for that, the rollercoaster personality I have to endure of his, is really not worth it.

Yes he finally did do the emotional outburst in front of others.. and that I had never experienced before with him. He had done it ALL THE TIME online on the bulletin boards, but he like others believe there's a difference between how you act online and how you act "in real life" and I do not believe that at all. I feel how you act over the years on the board is how you are when you're letting it rip. The board that I met him on, everyone acts toxic and in need of meds. I would never let them know I am posting on here or they would screenprint my posts and make a thread about it to laugh over.

It seems that crazies attract crazies and on the internet it is even easier to find them than in "real life".. as if this is "not real life" it also is. They are so sick, I have stopped posting there after I created a thread to find out who is calling him and harassing him. I wanted to know which one of those board members it was! I think it's a guy who knows both of us, and Im certain it is someone we used to post to on that same board where we met. This guy is calling him and telling him that he's looking for me and that I have "phone sex with him"!! AS IF I need more trouble?

I now wonder if these calls are even being phoned to him or not! I mean, who's to know? He claims this guy is calling him incessantly, and he was raging at me on chat and on the phone because he was jealous of this guy caller. He believed this guy over me!

Yes its always "our fault" but those are the classic signs of abuse. How can it be someone else's fault? In fact even if it were "our fault" that doesn't excuse or condone HIS behavior.. and that behavior is immature and outrageous.

I feel bad for you, and I can't even imagine being in that situation. I would never in a hundred years trust him enough to live with him, after I have seen the stunts he's pulled on me.

He would have to go to therapy. He says he wants to talk to a psychologist now.. I guess he CLAIMS he's realizing how "bad" he is. Right now he's calm. He's calling and he's friendly, but his poor sleeping habits are still intact and continuing! That's part of his big problem.

Every time I visit him after he's not slept for at least a day, or is getting poor sleep, he acts so drained from not sleeping, that he seems to be right there on the very edge towards lashing out. His lack of sleep makes him moody by itself, combine that with the bipolar? I can always tell when he's not gotten sleep, because he's really irritable and he looks at me with this look that almost looks like hate. He is super sensitive and anything I say can be misconstrued to mean something negative to him. Even the most innocent thing. A few times Ive said "My god you look terrible" referring to his lack of sleep and he was insulted. As thought anyone wouldn't look bad if they were going without sleep for 24 hrs?? I know I would look horrible. He's got me aligned with his crappy sleep cycles. Even when I correct my bad sleep cycle from socializing with him, he can RUIN IT in ONE NIGHT.. because, say I go over there Saturday night, we go out, and do not go to bed till 6am, meaning we don't wake up till 4pm. The day is ruined and wasted, and then a pattern is set because neither one of us wants to go to bed at a normal hour, say 11pm.

I'm getting so sick of this. Im not sure how to correct my own sleeping problems that are coming out of knowing him. Does anyone have any helpful hints?? I feel smothered and claustrophobic going to bed at 10 or 11pm when I wake up late. It makes me feel like I just woke up, so why would I be going to bed already?

I want to go to sleep if I feel tired. Sleep is also starting to feel like unconsciousness that I can't control, or death. The french call it "le petit morte" and I can relate to that. I guess because HE is making me feel so crappy based on when he rages and accuses, that I feel more disturbed when trying to consider sleep.

I tried to stay up all night once, and felt so horrible by 7am, I just finally fell asleep, causing another bad cycle to begin.

I don't know if I should stay up all night when my sleep cycles are disrupted and then go to bed early later on, or just sleep a few hours in the morning, wake up, and then go to bed at a normal time that same night.

I'm not sure which is best, more successful at breaking bad sleeping patterns. Like I said, one night with him and my sleeping patterns are ruined again. Its not that I don't get 8 hours of sleep, it's that my body is now getting them at the WRONG cycle time.. so Im going to bed late, and getting up late and my body doesn't like this system, because Im looking worse and feeling worse, for some reason, even if its 8 hours!!


He told me tonight that he would "rather talk to a psychologist than just be put on pills".. he said that the shrink he talked to spent only "five minutes on me and then prescribed me four different medications".

Its shrinks like this that ruins some peoples chances of good mental health.

Run while you still can! I have been living with my bipolar boyfriend for a year and a half now. My life has been a living hell for well over half that time. I know I should have left a long time ago but I loved him and wanted him to get help and be healthy... If he hasn't yet, then soon he will become physically abusive. I am talking knives to your throat, strangulations, punches etc... but you justify his actions because he's sick . So you stay to help him through his disease only to find that there is something much more traumatic than physical abuse - mental abuse. Bipolars are very very good at making you feel like the smallest person in the world. A single word from them could make you break down and cry. Then you have the public embarrassments. My boyfriend loves doing this. He has yelled at guys in parking lots and said " Anyone want some P*S*Y? There's a whore here". I am the opposite of a whore but in his mind, I am nothing but. He has poured drinks on me and my food while eating out for no reason. He has jumped out of a moving car numerous times etc..... Mine has also caused me to lose a very good job, get arrested, and I am in huge debt right now. He has broken a dining room table, coffee table, $2000 flat screen tv, keyed my car and broke a mirrow, ripped clothes, broke jewery, ripped up pictures, punched holes in the wall... so much. Then I am blamed for it. You soon get to a point when you start believing him and you try soooo hard to make him not snap.. you walk on egg shells so your whole day or week isnt ruined by upsetting him.

[siggywolf]

I was with my ex wife who has bipolar and her oldest daughter has it to and the last 7 years was pure hell for me the daugther destroy my home and the ex cheated on me for 4 years and had phone and internet sex and slept with 9 men in a 8 month period and she net the out of me for no reasun and a few other people too. So believe me I will not have anything to do with a bi polar person

[ordinaryguy]

I don't even feel that he's someone I can RELY on, even though he has at times helped me. The price for that, the rollercoaster personality I have to endure of his, is really not worth it.

Don't go near him.

The board that I met him on, everyone acts toxic and in need of meds.

It seems that crazies attract crazies

Yes its always "our fault" but those are the classic signs of abuse.

Stay away from him.

his poor sleeping habits are still intact and continuing!

He's got me aligned with his crappy sleep cycles. Even when I correct my bad sleep cycle from socializing with him, he can RUIN IT in ONE NIGHT

I'm getting so sick of this. Im not sure how to correct my own sleeping problems that are coming out of knowing him. Does anyone have any helpful hints??

Don't socialize with him.

Like I said, one night with him and my sleeping patterns are ruined again.

Stay away from him.

He told me tonight that he would "rather talk to a psychologist than just be put on pills".. he said that the shrink he talked to spent only "five minutes on me and then prescribed me four different medications".

Its shrinks like this that ruins some peoples chances of good mental health.

Some mental disorders are severe enough that until the brain chemistry is brought back to some semblance of normal, talk is pointless. Talk therapy can help to keep the person from going off the cliff again, but it can't pull them back up after they've jumped.

You've gotten a lot of good advice here from people who know from first-hand experience what you're dealing with. And they are virtually unanimous in saying, "LEAVE HIM ALONE". At some point you have to accept your responsibility for the trauma you're going through, because you keep making the choice to dive back into that whirlpool. I salute your desire to help him, but it's beyond your capability to do so, and it's counterproductive FOR HIM AS WELL AS YOU to keep doing it. Don't think of it as giving up or abandoning him. Think of it as freeing him to find help in his own way and time, and saving yourself a lifetime of unnecessary hurt and heartache. It's better for you both. Don't feel guilty and don't apologize, just do it.

[cerulean]

I can understand your viewpoint, and I came here to first figure out if he was really bipolar by going to different mental health forums and such and chatting with different kinds of people, some bipolar, or some struggling with bipolar people or people with mental issues. Im convinced he is bipolar now, I wasn't before, although I had always theorized he was. I guess I was spot on about this, and Im not happy to know that. Now that I'm at this stage, the information aids me in making different shifts in our "relationship", which wouldn't have shifted as much without the information I've obtained. Do you know what I mean? Without feedback and others thoughts, without bouncing ideas off others, I wouldn't even know as much as I know, at this point in my life and I know a great deal as a hypnotist and a researcher in consciousness. I've always asked questions and always wanted to be certain.

I've spent some time around a multiple personality, but I've never known a bipolar before, this is the first time.

I haven't seen him in weeks. I don't know what you mean when you write "that is counterproductive for him as well". He would do nothing on his own. He wouldn't have another human being around him that would then serve as his needed catalyst in order for him to learn more about himself in relation to another, thereby then effecting the change that is needed.

Alone he's done nothing but exist in his addictions and he has been unconscious about his problem. He is completely isolated from society as he retired in his mid forties. He stays at home.

He's starting to become conscious that his problem is severe. I had never committed to him, and in my experience with men, that's one of the reasons they become angry, when I don't want a commitment, and they do. Eventually I have to let them go, but I always want to salvage the friendship. In his case he's bipolar. I wanted to also learn more about this "brain chemistry". I figured as well that "talk therapy" wouldn't be enough, but if he had not had such a lousy first experience with a shrink, he would have continued getting help. Instead the shrink just threw pills at him and assessed him in five minutes. That's exactly how most medical doctors have been with me, as I have a back problem. Its taken many dr's to find anyone that I can work with, that looks me in the eyes, and is concerned with my physical issues.

Anyway thanks for your advice. I realize this is not Yahoo answers, I would like to know some of the background if possible from the people that are giving me advice.. esp. if they are bipolar or had experiences with such.

At some point you have to accept your responsibility for the trauma you're going through, because you keep making the choice to dive back into that whirlpool. I salute your desire to help him, but it's beyond your capability to do so, and it's counterproductive FOR HIM AS WELL AS YOU to keep doing it. Don't think of it as giving up or abandoning him. Think of it as freeing him to find help in his own way and time, and saving yourself a lifetime of unnecessary hurt and heartache. It's better for you both. Don't feel guilty and don't apologize, just do it.

[Melinda88]

Hey there! My brother suffers from it and he has had wild episodes of mania similar to your boyfriend. His bipolar kept getting worse until he got on the right medication and he has been hospitalized 5 times sometimes for as long as 3 whole months. You really need to help this guy or find someone who can help him. Does he have any family you could talk to? I know how hard it is being involved with someone bipolar but you just have to remember that the hurtful and crazy things they do are not your fault and your boyfriend doesn't mean it its just that he is sick and in reality his brain isn't functioning properly. I understand how hard it is to get bipolar people to get help but someday he hopefully will. Keep trying your best to help him, after 5 years my brother has finally agreed to take his medication and he is a happy person now. The nice guy that I used to catch glimpses of is here for good now and hopefully the same will happen for your boyfriend. There are loads of doctors out there willing to help and maybe you could do some research yourself on decent ones that can actually help him and not just prescribe him lithium.
Good luck with this!:)

[cerulean]

Thanks very much

How do you FIND decent ones? I think this is everyone's prevailing question here. References would be great. We both live in Southern California.

Also.. I was curious, what kinds of meds is your brother on? My friend was put on Lithium which he had a very bad reaction to. He at times takes xanax for nervousness or anxiety.

hey there! my brother suffers from it and he has had wild episodes of mania similar to your boyfriend. his bipolar kept getting worse until he got on the right medication and he has been hospitalized 5 times sometimes for as long as 3 whole months. you really need to help this guy or find someone who can help him. does he have any family you could talk to? i know how hard it is being involved with someone bipolar but you just have to remember that the hurtful and crazy things they do are not your fault and your boyfriend doesnt mean it its just that he is sick and in reality his brain isnt functioning properly. i understand how hard it is to get bipolar people to get help but someday he hopefully will. keep trying your best to help him, after 5 years my brother has finally agreed to take his medication and he is a happy person now. The nice guy that i used to catch glimpses of is here for good now and hopefully the same will happen for your boyfriend. there are loads of doctors out there willing to help and maybe you could do some research yourself on decent ones that can actually help him and not just prescribe him lithium.
good luck with this!:)

[Melinda88]

My brother got treatment from the psychiatric unit of our local hospital so maybe you could try that. He is currently taking lithium but has to take other drugs like priadel and respirodol. Some of the drugs he is on are anti psychotics and others are there to counteract the side effects of the other drugs. Lithium alone sometimes isn't enough for bipolar sufferers and this seems to be the case with your boyfriend. Every ones body is different as my family have been told countless times by doctors. A good doctor will help him to find the right balance for him. Generally I think lithium is a mood stabilizer but if his body can't handle lithium then some other mood stabilizer might do the trick. If he agrees to trying medication again both of you will need to be patient because finding the right meds can sometimes take ages but don't worry he will get there! Lucky for him he has someone who really cares. Sorry I can't recommend anyone but I live in ireland so I don't think it would be much use lol ;)

[cerulean]

Ok, thanks.. Ireland.. bonny Ireland and the Kerry Coast!! Oh how entranced I have been with that country most of my life! lol

Have you heard of that new drug for bipolar on the market named Abilify? I have seen the advertisements everywhere and heard its new.

my brother got treatment from the psychiatric unit of our local hospital so maybe you could try that. he is currently taking lithium but has to take other drugs like priadel and respirodol. some of the drugs he is on are anti psychotics and others are there to counteract the side effects of the other drugs. Lithium alone sometimes isnt enough for bipolar sufferers and this seems to be the case with your bf. Every ones body is different as my family have been told countless times by doctors. A good doctor will help him to find the right balance for him. Generally I think lithium is a mood stabilizer but if his body can't handle lithium then some other mood stabilizer might do the trick. If he agrees to trying medication again both of you will need to be patient because finding the right meds can sometimes take ages but dont worry he will get there! lucky for him he has someone who really cares. Sorry i can't recommend anyone but I live in ireland so i dont think it would be much use lol ;)

[Melinda88]

Lol. No I haven't heard of that 1 but some of them have like ten different names for the same drug so you should look into it! Best of luck with helping this guy I hope he gets better soon :)

[ordinaryguy]

I would like to know some of the background if possible from the people that are giving me advice.. esp. if they are bipolar or had experiences with such.

I'm not medically qualified, but was emotionally and sexually involved with two different women who were bipolar, and also had a male friend who was. I'm not still in touch with any of them, and I'm not sorry. I gave everything I had to give and then some but it was never enough.

[cerulean]

I'm not medically qualified, but was emotionally and sexually involved with two different women who were bipolar, and also had a male friend who was. I'm not still in touch with any of them, and I'm not sorry. I gave everything I had to give and then some but it was never enough.

I sympathize. Its sometimes difficult enough dealing with so called "normal" women and men. Having been on both sides of the fence.. Hell probably hath no fury like a bipolar wench. :eek:

:D

[ordinaryguy]

I don't know what you mean when you write "that is counterproductive for him as well". He would do nothing on his own. He wouldn't have another human being around him that would then serve as his needed catalyst in order for him to learn more about himself in relation to another, thereby then effecting the change that is needed.

In case you haven't already seen it, here's a post from a related thread that seems to be relevant.

[cerulean]

In case you haven't already seen it,post from a related thread that seems to be relevant.

Thanks I will read it, in the meantime I have written a small tome about tonights antics gone awry. I am only sharing so that MAYBE someone here can relate, and advise. Thank you.





I was arguing with steve tonight because he was in total denial that I was developing anxiety because of all he had put me through in the last few months of "dating him".

He failed to see the connection, all he saw was that for the last few days he had been nice, so why was I "Starting up". I said anxiety isnt something to predict. I got bloated a few days ago and didnt want to go to bed, because I felt really really full and can't just lie down horizontal when this happens, I began to feel anxiety as a conditioned response to him becoming upset about me feeling bad. Last time this happened, he blew up because I didnt go to bed, and was "acting weird". Now that he's taking some medication, small slivers of Celexa, some older medication he had around that he used at my urgency, and he was finally acting stable, although at first he took a whole tablet and felt tremendous anxiety, a sliver is all he needs.

He was patient with my condition and didnt act as he had in the past, but I was really worried and my hands started sweating and I grew emotional and he looked at me like I was going crazy,. and not as though he was actually the crazy one.

He asked if I wanted to walk and I said yes and over time I grew calm, but its a conditioned response, I know, from all the BS he's put me through. I tried to EXPLAIN to him again tonight as well as last night what this was and he felt he was being attacked. He was acting weird..and between dropped calls, I would call back and he was making fun of my attempt to explain & my anxiety and calling me crazy. I was shouting at the top of my lungs that he caused this and I am a very strong person but theres only so much even the healthiest person can take. I had given him way too many chances understanding he was bipolar, and it was going totally unappreciated by him and he kept saying "What are you talking about?" over and over again.. and that was what was upsetting me.

I asked him "is anxiety a pleasant thing for you??" and he said "no, but I don't act like this!". I explained I didnt feel anxious then, I was just upset that he had no regard for the fact that it was he that had created this anxiety in me. I explained a rock getting hit by the tides again and again can deal with it for a while, but after time, the rock erodes and grows smaller from the constant impact. I used this as an analogy for what he did to me. He kept acting as though because it was "in the past" I shouldn't be upset anymore. I explained it would just take some time for me to get over it, and it was conditioned responses from all I had to deal with him. He mentioned about this sounding "insulting" to him. Of all things!

He continued to say "but thats all over now" but I beseeched him to understand that I would still have the emotional responses for a while until I know for sure he's on a road to recovery. He basically just said "thats not my fault" which pissed me off and I found that attitude to be one of GREAT disregard, discompassion and disdain.

I was driving around all during this emotional outburst tonight.. and in between calls from him & me calling him ---> one of his PHONE SEX OPERATORS calls me! I didn't even KNOW he had a phone sex operator regular!! I didn't even know they called women to warn them! Which I guess is a good thing. Apparently they have been having a phone sex relationship which has spanned WEEKS, the entire time I have been dating him and over at his home!

She had EXACTLY the kind of phone sex voice I would expect. She began, "You don't know me but I know Steve".. At first I thought this was someone off the bulletin boards that we both knew pulling a prank on me, but then she began to tell me all kinds of personal things about myself.

IN a nutshell, she told me that she "knew I was there at his place all week and had left 2 nights ago".. which is true. That he "does things for you, that he is calling other phone sex operators, that he wacks off talking about you", etc. She told me all kinds of personal things about myself and what I do, and I knew the only person who would KNOW THIS is HIM.

Apparently he loves to involve me in phone sex conversations with other women, but is never like this WITH me.

She said "You know, enough is enough". She said that this Friday he had told her "Watch me drive her into a frenzy" meaning me. I don't know if he was masterbating to her when he said this though. Driving me into an upset angry frenzy gets him off? I never IMAGINED that would be a sexual turn on of ANY sort.

Someone please explain this to me. :(

She didn't say she thought he was crazy, I think she realized his fantasy requests involving cruelty to someone he claims to love is the line in the sand with her. Her participation makes her an accomplice. She doesn't want that and thinks its time for me to be informed!!

I think she phoned him tonight, in the midst of our arguing & decided to finally tell me the truth of his dishonesty! This has only added fuel to the fire.

He also has been WIRING HER MONEY, she says.

I guess this was a phone sex operator with a conscience! I asked how she got my number and she said a few weeks ago he said it would be hot if she called me and told me what's going on & gave my # out!! I assume after he "got off" he realized his creepy mistake and told her NOT to call me and she promised not to. She kept the #!

It felt very surreal as she continued talking, but I managed to speak calmly & matter of factly - until I got to the part where I told her he was giving me anxiety and I started to cry.. and then I couldn't talk. I put the cell phone down on my lap, and she hung up, probably thinking I hung up.. or something. Ive not heard from her since.

All this time he has been accusing me of having phone sex and running a phone sex business when he was doing it... phone sexing women who run phone sex businesses! Everything I have been attacked about, is what HE'S doing! And I TOLD HIM THIS at the time! I said "Those guilty are the ones that accuse the other of what they themselves do". Everything I ever TOLD HIM or predicted has come true, & who'd want it to be so?

I was driving around all night thinking about this and eventually I went to see "In the valley of Elah" which was one long DEPRESSING account of how effed up the Iraq war is and how it affects "the little people". I just got out of it recently and drove around. I turned the station to KLSX which is my fav one.. the one that Howard Stern used to be on.. and I heard John and Jeff, the late night hosts, talking about "addiction" and why people stay with people when they know they are addicted. I was surprised but amazed at how timely this was, in relation to what had just happened to me. I called in and was on hold for half an hour, never got on, my phone died dammit. My call would have been the best, who gets a call from the phone sex operator?

In a way thank goodness that people have a conscience and will INFORM the innocent people that the people they are dating are doing such evil things behind their backs and denying it and instead accusing the woman of what they themselves do!

I was shouting at him tonight, I was so mad, I told him "why can't YOU JUST TELL ME THE TRUTH!!" he said someone's playing a prank on me, and that its "probably someone you know" I said "I DON'T TELL ANYONE ALL THIS STUFF.. I have told noone that Ive been at your place all week or that I was not there the last two nights, it can only be you!!"

Even though he's been caught red handed HE'S STILL CALMLY LYING..

The thing is I don't know what to do now. I was always there for him because I knew he had an illness, the bipolarism. I knew as soon as he got some meds and therapy, he would be a changed person, I didn't want to let him down. I knew that I would be the person that would make the change in him happen. He'd been alone for so many years used to masterbating porn.

In some ways I now despise porn because if it wasn't for porn, it wouldn't have caused this to happen in MY life. It goes from something "fun" to something utterly damaging to people. Its also a "gateway activity" I now see.. . as POT is a gateway drug to worse drugs... PORN is a gateway activity to phone sex and then sex with hookers.

Its so easily accessible and advertised, its just too easy not to not do it. It went from porn, to his answering ads for "live cams" and then phone sex. Now it ruins lives and the people who suffer are the ones that don't know its happening. Although I knew he was still going to porn sites because I saw the links in other OTHER browser I told him to download. He doesn't KNOW that you can still see the cookies even if he deletes the history in the browser.

But that's was a few weeks ago and I thought maybe he was just looking at something, not masterbating, but maybe he went there to talk to that hooker phone sex operator who called me tonight, because she did admit that he wacked off to her 3 weeks ago and I think that's around the time I saw the new sex links in the cookies.

Its just so creepy. Steve went from wacking to still shots, to Steve watching webcams of women masterbating, to Steve having phone sex... all the while when I had a renewed interest in him, and he was LYING and told me "I no longer have an interest in porn and I think its creepy". He would actually LIE on the phone to me, LIE IN MY FACE!

Its just ruined. I don't know what to do now.