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Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

Ah, no you don't. You have stated many times that the Bible has been corrupted and the manuscripts can't be trusted.

I never said that with the meaning that the Bible can't be trusted. That's the conclusion YOU made, not what I said. Now, tell me what I REALLY said.

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

There's only one Bible.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" 2 Peter 1:21 -- and they wrote the Bible in English.

waltero · May 5, 2021, 06:13 PM

The focus is love and acceptance of people who had no choice.

We could accept them for who they are and for who they are not. You are accepting them into your life, by agreeing with them, approving of them, waiving your own rights, while downplaying their impact upon you.

They are just like you and me. God loves all of us.

If you don't know the difference?

Oh, I appove of the REAL Bible

Oh, no you don't! You have stated many times that the Bible has been corrupted and the manuscripts can't be trusted.

just not your version of it.

There's only one Bible.

I never said that with the meaning that the Bible can't be trusted. Now, tell me what I REALLY said.

You are asking me to search through many of your posts. I would if I thought it would do any good. I know what you said, and so does everybody on this site.

Found one:

Faith means believing God’s Word.
No, it doesn't. Try again.

I could follow up, with many, many more such posts, but I think this says it all.

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 06:24 PM

You are accepting them into your life, by agreeing with them....
Agreeing with them??? Agreeing about what??? Mother Nature messed up during the pregnancies. It could have happened to you just as easily. After the Fall, no longer is humankind only binary.

Faith means believing God’s Word.
C'mon! My faith is in Jesus Christ, my Savior, not in a book.

waltero · May 5, 2021, 06:30 PM

I can only laugh. Sure WG, You are Correct in allowing yourself to love others as they would love you. Run with that until your dying day and see where it gets you.

not in a book.

You have no Christ, without the Bible.

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

I can only laugh. Sure WG, You are Correct in allowing yourself to love others as they would love you.

I love others even if they DON'T love me. Remember the Latin words for love: eros (erotic or self love), philos (brotherly love), and agape (selfless love). Jesus urged us to practice agape.

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

You have no Christ, without the Bible.

Therefore, you're saying I have to believe in (have faith in) that book, even every mistranslation? I have to be a literalist in order to be saved?

waltero · May 5, 2021, 06:41 PM

I love others even if they DON'T love me.

I know you do. You are a loving caring person, I can see that (with my ears).

My faith is in Jesus Christ, my Savior, not in a book.

No such Christ, without the Bible.

When the Pharisees told Jesus to silence His followers for proclaiming Him the King of glory, Jesus said, “I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out”

Do you understand why the stones cried out?

How are you going to trust God's word, without the Word?

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

Do you understand why the stones cried out?

They cried out because the Pharisees would try to silence Jesus' followers. (That's a personification of stones, btw, a poetic way of telling the Pharisees to shut up.)

jlisenbe · May 5, 2021, 07:09 PM

It is not acceptable to believe only the parts of the Bible that agree with you.

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It is not acceptable to believe only the parts of the Bible that agree with you.

That's not what I'm doing. You're not paying attention, to me OR to Athos.

waltero · May 5, 2021, 07:13 PM

When the Pharisees told Jesus to silence His followers for proclaiming Him the King of glory, Jesus said, “I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out”

It has to do with God's Word, prophesied in Isaiah 62:11. Had to be fulfilled,- being the Word of God, that it is. The impossible will happen rather than the Messianic kingdom fail of recognition.

I believe the Stones did cry out! WORD.

That's not what I'm doing. You're not paying attention, to me OR to Athos

I member in the past, you mentioning that you didn't believe the book of Revelations should have been included?
You had your doubts about other books as well, heck you have your doubts about the entire book...YABBA-DABBA-DING, DONG!

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

I believe the Stones did cry out! WORD.

And the hills clapped their hands....

waltero · May 5, 2021, 07:29 PM

They cried out because the Pharisees would try to silence Jesus' followers. (That's a personification of stones, btw, a poetic way of telling the Pharisees to shut up.)

Now why would Jesus have to tell them to shut it? He had no need, if they had silenced the crowd, rest assured the stones would cry out. Oh, ye of little faith. Logic is gonna getcha!

You are accepting them into your life, by agreeing with them??? Agreeing about what???

Come on WG, you can do better than that! Uh err, agreeing with them on eating Ice cream for Breakfast.
LGBT stand in agreement (Gay lives Matter) with the World...you should not stand in agreement with the World!
Lives don't Matter!!! Only one "life" that matters...

Wondergirl · May 5, 2021, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by waltero

Now why would Jesus have to tell them to shut it? He had no need, if they had silenced the crowd, rest assured the stones would cry out. Oh, ye of little faith. Logic is gonna getcha!

You totally missed the meaning of that verse.

I member in the past, you mentioning that you didn't believe the book of Revelations should have been included. You had your doubts about other books as well, heck you have your doubts about the entire book..

It's Revelation, not Revelations.

Not just me. "The story of the New Testament canon is a fascinating one, with many twists and turns. There are books that were accepted very quickly, almost from the start (e.g., the four gospels), and there are other books that struggled to find a home (e.g., 2 Peter). And then there is the book of Revelation. Few today would contest the claim that the book of Revelation stands as one of the most controversial, complicated, and esoteric books in the New Testament canon."
https://www.michaeljkruger.com/the-b...nto-the-canon/

You stand in agreement with the World!

Not at all, my friend, not at all.

waltero · May 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

You totally missed the meaning of that verse.

Prophesy will be fulfilled, If Jesus said the Rocks would cry out- the rocks cried out. You can believe on the Word of God.
Yup, it was Jesus telling the Pharisees to shut it...rigggghht! If the people didn't cry out then the stones would, cry out. God said it, you should believe it.

Not at all, my friend, not at all.

Prove it ;-p You seem to prove otherwise?

Therefore, you're saying I have to believe in (have faith in) that book, even every mistranslation? I have to be a literalist in order to be saved?

I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts...have to have God write it on your Heart. Having your friend write it on your heart won't do. You show such distain for the Bible- "that book". What's your hang up? It's not like we're talking about the Book of Mormon, although, according to you, we very well could be! The Word of God (Bible) endures forever!!! Believe it. Nobody who has Jesus in their heart is going to refute the Bible. (I'm not refuting that book, I love that book, the Bible is just a book, so why should I believe in it!)

Wondergirl · May 6, 2021, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by waltero

Prove it ;-p You seem to prove otherwise?

I have to prove it to you? Sorry, no. Nothing I can say to you will "prove" anything about my devotion to God. (And my understanding of that is to love others and help them whenever I can.) You made up your mind long ago because I don't parrot the fundie preaching points.

I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts...

God has written His love on my heart. Sorry you're still hung up with the law.

waltero · May 7, 2021, 07:34 AM

That was a quote out of "that book", that you love so much. It is talking about Christians. The fruit of the spirit is love. We are to love God with all our heart (we all fail) If we truly love God we will truly love his Law, and if we truly love God's Law, we will truly love God. Hearts of stone vs hearts of flesh.

waltero · May 7, 2021, 08:11 AM

Iwill put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.

Sorry you're still hung up with the law

Hearts of stone vs hearts of flesh. The ten commandments are relevant today as they ever were. God doesn't actually use the term "relationship, "in that book" He doesn't tell us to have a relationship with him, God tells us to love him. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment. We see in "that book" that we show love for God by obeying his commands. "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Sorry your throwing back "that book" without absorbing it.

Wondergirl · May 7, 2021, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by waltero

Hearts of stone vs hearts of flesh. The ten commandments are relevant today as they ever were.

Sorry your throwing back "that book" without absorbing it.

For Christians, the Law is a guide for their lives, not the way to salvation. We aren't saved because we keep the Law.

You're, not your. And I haven't thrown back anything.