[ScottRC]

The statement I made is backed by scripture.. Should you judge another NO! .. lest ye be condemned.
James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

I guess this also means not to judge Catholics for their beliefs... or, let me guess, that's allowed?

[N0help4u]

Nobody is judging you... we state our beliefs just as you state yours... where is the judging?
We say why we do not believe your beliefs just as you say why you do not believe our beliefs... again where is the judging?

[sndbay]

I guess this also means not to judge Catholics for their beliefs.... or, let me guess, that's allowed?

Not at all should anyone judge Scott.. This is a question and answer with logic and reasoning being used web site.

I rather give all acknowledgement to God, and His Word. It is He that reveals all unto us, if it be His Will, and He alone is glorified forever. No one else..

[ScottRC]

We say why we do not believe your beliefs just as you say why you do not believe our beliefs....again where is the judging?

I guess I don't remember starting a thread to tell anyone why their beliefs are false...

That's one difference I guess, I might take issue with HOW you come to your beliefs (sola scriptura) but not the beliefs themselves... I think you have the right to worship however you choose... anything else is judgement.

[N0help4u]

I was simply replying to this remark...

I guess this also means not to judge Catholics for their beliefs.... or, let me guess, that's allowed?

[sndbay]

I guess I don't remember starting a thread to tell anyone why their beliefs are false...

That's one difference I guess, I might take issue with HOW you come to your beliefs (sola scriptura) but not the beliefs themselves... I think you have the right to worship however you choose... anything else is judgement.

Scott, You do indeed have the right to worship however you choose. But again this is a ASK ME Help Desk.. you will receive answers and questions.. that is a logical assumption.. Mine are scriptures being shared and seeds to plant and grow as God sees fit. Pointing fingers is not done.. For I follow the rule that pointing 1 finger is 3 fingers back at yourself.

[ScottRC]

Pointing fingers is not done.. For I follow the rule that pointing 1 finger is 3 fingers back at yourself.

Rrrrrrrright... I guess all the "{{{REBUKE REBUKE REBUKE!}}}" judgements were just simply you "sharing" your beliefs. :eek:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on what "judgment" is...

[JoeT777]

Joe in all honesty it's because the rather a state of being purified already took place on the cross. At that moment finished...done.. That is what Chirst did.. To suggest differently or doing it again is to question the worthyness of what already took place.

No, not exactly. The sacrifice you speak of had no need to be purified. It was the fulfillment (end or finish) of the covenant with Moses. What it began was the New Covenant, with the real presence of God, His Kingdom on earth and the promise of salvation through faith and good works. God gave His only Son (the Lamb); the pure sacrifice provided by God, for our sin as well as the original sin. As I take it, It was done out of God's love for us. We should acknowledge receipt of that love though our own obedient love. What this sacrifice can't do without our participation is pay for our rejection of God's love. In some cases rejection can take the form where God's love is used as a tool for our selfish aims; such as a case where one depends on the spouse's love to manipulate their own gain, or in those cases where one uses God's love to, as it were, justify themselves by restricting God Will to their own interpretation; as it were done in a way to force God to prove His love – in Paul's day this was done by the Judo/Christian communities Rom 10:3 For they, not knowing the justice of God and seeking to establish their own, have not submitted themselves to the justice of God.

JoeT

[N0help4u]

No, not exactly. The sacrifice you speak of had no need to be purified. It was the fulfillment (end or finish) of the covenant with Moses. What it began was the New Covenant, with the real presence of God, His Kingdom on earth and the promise of salvation through faith and good works. God gave His only Son (the Lamb); the pure sacrifice provided by God, for our sin as well as the original sin. As I take it, It was done out of God’s love for us. We should acknowledge receipt of that love though our own obedient love. What this sacrifice can’t do is pay for our rejection of God’s love. In some cases rejection can take the form where God’s love is used as a tool for our selfish aims; such as a case where one depends on the spouse’s love to manipulate their own gain, or in those cases where one uses God’s love to, as it were, justify themselves by restricting God Will to their own interpretation; as it were done in a way to force God to prove His love – in Paul’s day this was done by the Judo/Christian communities Rom 10:3 For they, not knowing the justice of God and seeking to establish their own, have not submitted themselves to the justice of God.

JoeT

I don't know how you can limit Jesus' death to only fulfilling the OT when the Bible says repeatedly in so many ways that Jesus was made a sacrifice for our sins and his blood washed away our sins throughout the new testament.

[JoeT777]

I don't know how you can limit Jesus' death to only fulfilling the OT when the Bible says repeatedly in so many ways that Jesus was made a sacrifice for our sins and his blood washed away our sins throughout the new testament.

Read a little closer, I didn't say that.

[N0help4u]

OH I missed for our sin as well as the original sin. Sorry.

[JoeT777]

OH I missed for our sin as well as the original sin. Sorry.

No harm done.

[Handyman2007]

What does it matter? You will be dead.

[Wondergirl]

the promise of salvation through faith and good works

Salvation is not through good works. Any works we do are God's love reflecting off us and become our thank you to Him for His grace and mercy.

for our sin as well as the original sin

Jesus' sacrifice on the cross paid for ALL sins.

[Lilmkiss]

I don't care to limit the divine mercy of God.... only He truly knows who is lost.

Peace be with you.

And he simply states that those who are not with him are against him you are eather hot or cold and warm water he spits out meaning that they to are going to hell.

[Lilmkiss]

Umm.... I already told you: faith.

"As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come."[St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4, 39: PL 77, 396; cf. Mt 12:31]

... and based upon faith that the person being prayed for is worthy of heaven, though in need of the "purgatorial fire" of Christ, we hope to intercede on their behalf.

I pray that one day this will be done for me!:D

Understand that this said Nor in the next age that means you will not be forgiven!

Pergatorial fire? This was never said!

Matthew 12

Jesus and Beelzebub
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

33"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

This again is talking about something completely different use the word of God in context! And if you hadn't noticed I have already posted this up in earlyer posts so before you try to bring things like this up look in the prevous posts to see if they where descused!

[Wondergirl]

and based upon faith that the person being prayed for is worthy of heaven, though in need of the "purgatorial fire" of Christ

Hmmm. I'm worthy of heaven now, this minute. Christ "purged" my sins by dying on the cross.

[sndbay]

Rrrrrrrright..... I guess all the "{{{REBUKE REBUKE REBUKE!}}}" judgements were just simply you "sharing" your beliefs. :eek:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on what "judgment" is....

Well before accuse me to giving judgement, please allow me to explain what my actions were in rebuking a double barreled statement. The intention is to rebuke satan. Jesus does this many times throughout the scriptures. We are told to rebuke satan temptations. So if you want to judge me in doing something wrong or bad that is your choice and you are accountable to that choice.

Another issue is correction can be helpful to bring obedience to the Word of God. Do we agree on that?

[Lilmkiss]

Originally Posted by JoeT777
The promise of salvation through faith and good works

Didn't we already talk about this read post 511 on page 52

[sndbay]

No, not exactly. The sacrifice you speak of had no need to be purified. It was the fulfillment (end or finish) of the covenant with Moses. What it began was the New Covenant, with the real presence of God, His Kingdom on earth and the promise of salvation through faith and good works. God gave His only Son (the Lamb); the pure sacrifice provided by God, for our sin as well as the original sin. As I take it, It was done out of God's love for us. We should acknowledge receipt of that love though our own obedient love. What this sacrifice can't do without our participation is pay for our rejection of God's love. In some cases rejection can take the form where God's love is used as a tool for our selfish aims; such as a case where one depends on the spouse's love to manipulate their own gain, or in those cases where one uses God's love to, as it were, justify themselves by restricting God Will to their own interpretation; as it were done in a way to force God to prove His love – in Paul's day this was done by the Judo/Christian communities Rom 10:3 For they, not knowing the justice of God and seeking to establish their own, have not submitted themselves to the justice of God.

JoeT

God Holds Truth I offer His Word as that Truth

Mathew 27:50-53 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Hebrews 9:11-12 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, [B]having obtained eternal redemption [for us].[/B]