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[speechlesstx]

The is a polarised electorate in the US and I don't think they know how to deal with this. They don't seem to understand you can't have your way all the time

So we should roll over and accept what we don't want?

[Wondergirl]

So we should roll over and accept what we don't want?

Much of the U.S. had to when Bush decided to invade Iraq.

[tomder55]

When did they get the impression I am left wing? By Australian political standards I am centre right, but that is a long way left of right of our US cousins.

The reality is you and I have lived with subsidised health care for a long time, It hasn't killed us yet despite the horror stories. We have lived with social restructuring, the government fiddling with everything from transport to taxation. We have lived with gun control. I can't really say I am worse off but I might be the exception. The only thing that has cost me any money is the crisis that arises in the US with monotonous regularity

The is a polarised electorate in the US and I don't think they know how to deal with this. They don't seem to understand you can't have your way all the time

Yeah we are always told to go along to get along. Funny how in contrast ,the Dems play for keeps .

[talaniman]

America is bigger than just the TParty, so qualify your "we" with being part of a whole, but certainly NOT the whole.

It's the assumption your principles are shared by everybody that's the conflict, for which there is no compromise by you guys.

[paraclete]

Yeah we are always told to go along to get along. Funny how in contrast ,the Dems play for keeps .

Are you trying to say the right doesn't play for keeps, that they didn't try to take their bat and ball and go home? Both sides want to keep their victories, however conservatives don't want change, and change is inevietable

[tomder55]

that they didn't try to take their bat and ball and go home?

Except that isn't what happened .To refresh your memory ,it was the emperor who said he would not negotiate . It was the emperor and his flunkies in the Senate who hurled insults ;calling the Repubics terrorist holding the country hostage . Note that now the Dems get it and it's the Dems who are pressuring the emperor /and crafting legislation to delay Obamacare .

[paraclete]

Except that isn't what happened .To refresh your memory ,it was the emperor who said he would not negotiate . It was the emperor and his flunkies in the Senate who hurled insults ;calling the Repubics terrorist holding the country hostage . Note that now the Dems get it and it's the Dems who are pressuring the emperor /and crafting legislation to delay Obamacare .

Well if they have found some flaws that is as it should be, demonstrates a willingness to be flexible. I recall it was Bonehead, as you call him, who wouldn't let a vote be taken, so yes the analogy fits.

Tom, I recognise you are up the creek without a paddle over there, the legislation is a camel and you wanted a race horse, the software is a bad implementation with a tainted history. This is what you get when corruption and cronieism are permitted to get the upper hand. The system is a bad system and it stems from its original implementation, those founders of yours just didn't have enough foresight.

[tomder55]

I recall it was Bonehead, as you call him, who wouldn't let a vote be taken, so yes the analogy fits.

Again you got it wrong. There were many votes from the House .

[talaniman]

Actually Clete the problems are compounded by states that decided to fight and resist doing their own websites, and plans. The states that didn't and worked on their own plans are working great. Some republican governors still haven't come on board so how do you intergrate with a state that has no plan? Where do insurance companies register their prices/coverages in those states with NO plans and NO technical infrastructure?

No cooperation leads to many glitches and delays, as much as anything. No we can't blame the founders on this but clearly the flounders are at fault, despite the slow roll out by the government.

[paraclete]

Again you got it wrong. There were many votes from the House .

You know very well I was speaking of a particular recent conflict

[talaniman]

Again you got it wrong. There were many votes from the House .

Piece meal fixes to match the headlines? That's governing by crisis that republicans caused to happen. The question is did you learn from this or will you listen to Ted again and crash the economy... it only cost us 24 billion for 16 days last time.

[paraclete]

No cooperation leads to many glitches and delays, as much as anything. No we can't blame the founders on this but clearly the flounders are at fault, despite the slow roll out by the government.

Hi Tal, my reference to founders in is respect of the system of "governance" and Tom's continued assertion of the perfection of its conception, but yes, floundering would seem to be the current turn of events.

What you have is too many political leaders and too many opportunities for local stuffing about and obstructionism. Where I come from we have resolved this in health care; federal funding and state implementation with the provision that there is a common set of procedures and policies, so states don't go it alone without it costing them big time. No petty potentuates allowed

[tomder55]

You know very well I was speaking of a particular recent conflict

Very aware . The Repubics made many proposals to end the impass before the shutdown and after .It was the emperor who (in his own words ) would not negotiate .

[Wondergirl]

Very aware . The Repubics made many proposals to end the impass before the shutdown and after .It was the emperor who (in his own words ) would not negotiate .

And who refused to negotiate in the years before that?

[tomder55]

And who refused to negotiate in the years before that?

Ummm that would be the Senate Dems that didn't pass a budget for 3 years .

[Wondergirl]

ummm that would be the senate dems that didn't pass a budget for 3 years .

and????????

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

The Repubics made many proposals to end the impass before the shutdown and after .

Here's the truth..

Each and every one of those proposals included a defund or a delay of Obama's signature achievement.. That was NEVER EVER gonna happen, and your side KNEW it. Oh, you HOPED he'd cave like he did before. But, this time he didn't. Bummer for you. You LOST and you LOST bigtime.

Now, YOU may not believe your side shut down the government, but everybody who's NOT a Tea Partier knows you did.

excon

[paraclete]

The disconnect is in place, either you believe your actions had impact or they did not. Fact is only those in the house can vote on a bill

[excon]

Hello again,

I'm concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. That if you're poor, somehow you're shiftless and lazy.

Wow! Didja hear this commie? He's making up another mythical right wing WAR - this time on the poor. Come on. Everybody KNOWS right wingers love the poor ALONG with women. Libs. Duh!

But, hold on there, podner. It's NOT a lib. In fact, he's the rather conservative Governor of Ohio, Republican John Kasich. He must be a RINO, then huh?

excon