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paraclete · Apr 18, 2020, 09:04 PM

I think there is a different reason you have a 25 trillion debt, you cut down all the money trees

talaniman · Apr 19, 2020, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Not really. Our over reliance on government was going on long before Trump came along. That's why we have a 25 trillion dollar national debt.

5 trillion dollars a year in a 26 trillion dollar a year economy? We do have options.

https://www.thebalance.com/will-the-...id-off-3970473

And for background

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-v...conomy-3305779

We need overall fiscal responsibility on a national level because states on their own can barely provide what they need for themselves on a yearly basis. Some just have more resources and thus more options than others.

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 05:12 AM

5 trillion dollars a year in a 26 trillion dollar a year economy? We do have options.

We're not bringing in 5 tril a year in revenue. That's the whole problem. We also don't have a 26 trillion dollar economy. Fairly close, but not that large.

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 05:24 AM

Here's a solution. Pass a constitutional amendment requiring Congress to assess a flat income tax on all Americans equal to whatever they want to spend. There would be no deductions. If you live in America, then you get to support America. If Congress wants to spend 4 trillion, then they must, by law, raise 4 trillion. Now if they did that, you would see spending go down and borrowing stop. Problem solved.

talaniman · Apr 19, 2020, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We're not bringing in 5 tril a year in revenue. That's the whole problem. We also don't have a 26 trillion dollar economy. Fairly close, but not that large.

Best economy iin the world dude bar none, and bringing in an extra 5 trill is extremely possible if repubs would stop juicing that economy by suppressing the engine to match those 3rd world nations so big biz can have an edge on cheap labor.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here's a solution. Pass a constitutional amendment requiring Congress to assess a flat income tax on all Americans equal to whatever they want to spend. There would be no deductions. If you live in America, then you get to support America. If Congress wants to spend 4 trillion, then they must, by law, raise 4 trillion. Now if they did that, you would see spending go down and borrowing stop. Problem solved.

Any plan takes leadership and competence to execute and we just don't have that, but we get a chance to change that in a few months.

paraclete · Apr 19, 2020, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

5 trillion dollars a year in a 26 trillion dollar a year economy? We do have options.

You do have options it is called fiscal responsibility, something your governments are incapable of, because the government is run by politicians who cannot see beyond the end of their term

We need overall fiscal responsibility on a national level because states on their own can barely provide what they need for themselves on a yearly basis. Some just have more resources and thus more options than others.

Yes you do and it starts with lower spending and more taxation, but it cannot be done because the rich hollar like stuck pigs. All these wonderful programs are programs you cannot afford because there isn't enough to pay for them. Other nations can do it, but you cannot

talaniman · Apr 19, 2020, 06:40 AM

Big Biz has found a way around our Constitution. We the people elect our government, and big biz pays them. Capitalist run this country and you can see our real issues of infrastructure, poverty, education, healthcare, and inequality go unaddressed. You cannot have moral fiscal responsibility with trickle down economics. I mean what kind of society do we have when a teacher is worth far less than a lawyer?

It's hard to adjust for GREED!

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 11:15 AM

our real issues of infrastructure, poverty, education, healthcare, and inequality go unaddressed.

Those areas eat up hundreds of billions of dollars a year. I wouldn't call that going "unaddressed".

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 03:12 PM

Any plan takes leadership and competence to execute

You mean like good ole Barack "I'm Fiscally Responsible" Obama did?

Wondergirl · Apr 19, 2020, 03:47 PM

You mean like good ole Barack "I'm Fiscally Responsible" Obama did?

No, more like much, much older Donald "my rich buddies and I don't give a hoot about you losers" Trump does.

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 04:13 PM

Isn't it more like Trump opposes abortion and you resent that? Besides, Trump did more for the poor with an electric economy than Obama ever did.

much older

What would him being "much, much older" have to do with anything? Why would you even mention that? Are you prejudiced against the aged?

talaniman · Apr 19, 2020, 04:44 PM

Like what exactly has the dufus done for the poor? The unemployment was already low, and he lowered it another point so what has he really done for poor people? Oh wait, if you load the rich guys with loot then the chump change trickle down to the poorest! Except in reality the middle class scarfs that up and screw the poor! let 'em eat cheese and salty peas, and listen to sermons for a bag of groceries.

Obama made jobs and gave the poor doctors. The dufus and repubs want to take that away.

Wondergirl · Apr 19, 2020, 05:00 PM

Isn't it more like Trump opposes abortion and you resent that? Besides, Trump did more for the poor with an electric economy than Obama ever did.

Electric economy. Yeah, right. Bwahahahaha. And he screwed that up real fast!

What would him being "much, much older" have to do with anything? Why would you even mention that? Are you prejudiced against the aged?

His decline in his old age is amazing! Look at videos from 30-40 years ago -- he was articulate, personable, even charming, said intelligent things in complete sentences without meaningless superlatives thrown in. I know you refuse to Google, so let me know if you want me to post a link or two.

Nope, I'm not prejudiced against the aged.

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 05:22 PM

Electric economy. Yeah, right. Bwahahahaha. And he screwed that up real fast!

What a silly statement. It's like blaming the banking crisis for the economic mess Obama had in his first year. No one could have anticipated this virus. You are being completely prejudiced by your hatred of all things Trump.

His decline in his old age is amazing! Look at videos from 30-40 years ago -- he was articulate, personable, even charming, said intelligent things in complete sentences without meaningless superlatives thrown in. I know you refuse to Google, so let me know if you want me to post a link or two.

Post links all you want. I hear him enough to know he is completely lucid. Your problem is that you don't like his content.

Nope, I'm not prejudiced against the aged.

Then why the need to post "much, much older"? Sure sounded prejudiced to me.

Like what exactly has the dufus done for the poor? The unemployment was already low, and he lowered it another point so what has he really done for poor people? Oh wait, if you load the rich guys with loot then the chump change trickle down to the poorest! Except in reality the middle class scarfs that up and screw the poor! let 'em eat cheese and salty peas, and listen to sermons for a bag of groceries.

Obama made jobs and gave the poor doctors. The dufus and repubs want to take that away.

Only a member of the privileged middle class would make a statement like that. What has he done for the poor? How about having an economy that had provided jobs for anyone who wanted one? That's especially important for those of us who realize that having a job, or two or three, is the ONLY way out of poverty. Obama "made" jobs? Obama knew nothing about making jobs. He never owned or operated a business. All he knew was to borrow, borrow, borrow, and then borrow some more.

Are you talking about the rich guys who pay more than 85% of income taxes???

Wondergirl · Apr 19, 2020, 05:24 PM

What a silly statement.

Always the putdown...

No one could have anticipated this virus. You are being completely prejudiced by your hatred of all things Trump.

Nope. He could have stopped avoiding the issue early on, stopped lying about the virus, the masks, the PPEs, the numbers of sick and dead American citizens, but NO, his enormous ego wouldn't allow that.

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 05:27 PM

Always the putdown...

Only when you post something...silly.

Nope. He could have stopped avoiding the issue early on, stopped lying about the virus, the masks, the PPEs, the numbers of sick and dead American citizens, but NO, his enormous ego wouldn't allow that.

Now that's a somewhat fair statement. However, he did make the enormously important move of limiting travel with China, a move which your beloved dems harshly criticized him for. Correct?

Athos · Apr 19, 2020, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Isn't it more like Trump opposes abortion and you resent that?

Trump was in favor of abortion before he opposed it. He began to oppose it when he discovered a large base out in mid-America that opposed it and would vote for him. He once made a crucial error when he suggested women having abortions should be punished. This was never the anti-abortion stance and he backtracked on that mistake the very next day.

From an interview with Tim Russert before Trump ran for president.

“I’m very pro-choice,” Trump says. “I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still — I just believe in choice.”

Russert clarifies his original point: Would you ban partial-birth abortion? “No,” Trump replies.

Yes, people can change their mind on principle. But the only principle Trump has, or ever had, is self-aggrandizement. A malignant narcissist lacks empathy.

Wondergirl · Apr 19, 2020, 05:32 PM

Then why the need to post "much, much older"? Sure sounded prejudiced to me.

Um, you failed math? (I can do putdowns too -- learned how from you!)

How old was he 30-40 years ago? (Hint: he was born in 1946.) Don't forget to send him a card when he turns 74 on June 14, 2020. He's much, much older than he was 30-40 years ago. I am too. OMG! YOU ARE TOO!!!

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2020, 05:41 PM

Trump was in favor of abortion before he opposed it.

Kind of like Obama was opposed to gay marriage before he supported it? I'm only interested in what he is now.

Um, you failed math? (I can do putdowns too -- learned how from you!)

Fraid not. Your putdown makes no sense.

How old was he 30-40 years ago? (Hint: he was born in 1946.) Don't forget to send him a card when he turns 74 on June 14, 2020. He's much, much older than he was 30-40 years ago. I am too. OMG! YOU ARE TOO!!!

And he'll be even older tomorrow. So?

Wondergirl · Apr 19, 2020, 05:48 PM

'Fraid not. Your putdown makes no sense.

You have trouble with subtraction?

And he'll be even older tomorrow. So?

You questioned my speaking of Trump's being "much, much older."