[NeedKarma]

I have asked any and all for some proof of reincarnaton, yet none of you asks me if I can supply any proof of the truth of Jesus Christ. Why not? The truth of Jesus Christ has always been, is now, verifiable by observation to all who are interested.

Ok, I'm interested, what verifiable observations prove the existence of Jesus Christ?

[Morganite]

I have asked any and all for some proof of reincarnaton, yet none of you asks me if I can supply any proof of the truth of Jesus Christ. Why not? The truth of Jesus Christ has always been, is now, verifiable by observation to all who are interested.

Observation? Of what?


M:)

[galveston]

Since the first church at Jeurusalem there has always been a church (sometimes very small in number) in which the following may be observed:

They speak in languages that they have never learned.
They are able to interpret those languages that they never learned.
Sometimes they know things that they have no normal means of knowing.
They lay hands on sick people, and those people are healed.
Occasionally blind eyes see, deaf ears hear, and cripples walk.

I personally observed (1962, San Benito, TX. Sun. AM service) a 12 yr old girl speak in a clear language that she had not learned. She attended the school for the deaf in Austin, Tx. & was home on holiday. She did not speak because she couldn't hear. Since she did not hear anything that was said she could not have been influenced by the sermon. I cannot say why she was not healed at the same time as she was filled with the Holy Spirit, but everyone there witnessed what she said.

Healings and miracles do not happen every day or in every place, but they do happen. A religion without the supernatural has no credentials.

[Morganite]

I don't know what awaits after death so I'll just have to wait and see, No hurry though I kinda like it where I am!

My philosophy it to enjoy this present life by making the best of it, all the while preparing for eternity.


M:)

[DrJ]

Since the first church at Jeurusalem there has always been a church (sometimes very small in number) in which the following may be observed:

They speak in languages that they have never learned.
They are able to interpet those languages that they never learned.
Sometimes they know things that they have no normal means of knowing.
They lay hands on sick people, and those people are healed.
Occasionally blind eyes see, deaf ears hear, and cripples walk.

I personally observed (1962, San Benito, TX. Sun. AM service) a 12 yr old girl speak in a clear language that she had not learned. She attended the school for the deaf in Austin, Tx. & was home on holiday. She did not speak because she couldn't hear. Since she did not hear anything that was said she could not have been influenced by the sermon. I cannot say why she was not healed at the same time as she was filled with the Holy Spirit, but everyone there witnessed what she said.

Healings and miracles do not happen every day or in every place, but they do happen. A religion without the supernatural has no credentials.

This really "proves" nothing. In a different setting, many would attune this to Satanism, witchcraft, black magic, and other things. Its only in a church setting or something of the like that people will say its an "act of God."

All that aside, there still is no proof of anything unnatural happening. How do you know that the girl never learned this? How do you know she was deaf? How do you know you weren't duped? Did they pass around the collection plate immediately following this "miracle"? Even if this DID really happen, what does it have to do with the exsistence of Jesus Christ?

Don't get me wrong. I believe in miracles and know that they do happen. I also believe that Jesus Christ exsisted. But, even though I have witnesses them myself, I cannot say that they, alone, prove the existence of Jesus Christ.

[Morganite]

Since the first church at Jeurusalem there has always been a church (sometimes very small in number) in which the following may be observed:

They speak in languages that they have never learned.
They are able to interpet those languages that they never learned.
Sometimes they know things that they have no normal means of knowing.
They lay hands on sick people, and those people are healed.
Occasionally blind eyes see, deaf ears hear, and cripples walk.

I personally observed (1962, San Benito, TX. Sun. AM service) a 12 yr old girl speak in a clear language that she had not learned. She attended the school for the deaf in Austin, Tx. & was home on holiday. She did not speak because she couldn't hear. Since she did not hear anything that was said she could not have been influenced by the sermon. I cannot say why she was not healed at the same time as she was filled with the Holy Spirit, but everyone there witnessed what she said.

Healings and miracles do not happen every day or in every place, but they do happen. A religion without the supernatural has no credentials.

Similar miracles occur in non-Christian rleigions.

M:)

[talaniman]

I think that they''re many mysteries that cannot be explained by man or science and reincarnation is one. Many believe in it, but there is no concrete evidence to either prove or disprove this BELIEF. So if one chooses to believe, it is no better or worse than any other belief going around and yes there are a lot of different things to hang your faith on. I don't know one way or the other.

[31pumpkin]

Gee Tal -that sounds logical(couldn't just rate your answer)

But I keep getting bumped when I ask for the other posters reasons they believe in reincarnation.

I don't know. It's getting where it doesn't seem worth it to share thoughts or opinions.

[talaniman]

I imagine sometimes its really hard to explain the why of what it is you believe either through fear of retribution or just because you don't really know. Its really got to be hard when there is no concret evidence to show anybody. You know how much we as himans really know... hardly nothing.

[Morganite]

Well being a catholic, i truly don't believe in the possibility of reincarnation. I think it's a myth made up by other religions spread across the world, simply as a way of taking the fear away from death, by telling people that there is nothing to worry about, since you will be able to live another life. In other ways the bible does mention in a small passage that reincarnation is practically nothing but a hoax, but because of recent and further studies into the catholic church and the bible, it has been found that the bible may not, unfortunately, be all true.

As much as I dislike disagreeing with anyone, I do believe that describing belief in reincarnation as a "a myth made up by other religions spread across the world, simply as a way of taking the fear away from death, by telling people that there is nothing to worry about, since you will be able to live another life," is more than a little simplistic.

Religions do not arrive at their doctrines by seeking to assuage the fear people have, but as a way of explaining life, the universe, and everything else. There maybe times when doctrines are not formulated as another religion would or could formulate them, but unless they can be shown to be untrue they ought not to be summarily dismissed. It is one thing to disagree with a belief simply because one holds an irreconcileable view, but it is quite naother to write off the faith of others as inferior or wrong.

It could be difficult to prove that any religion is entirely free from a mythic compnent, especially in cases where there is ample historical evidence to show that what is now believed was not believed when the faith was at an earlier stage of its development.

How hard is it for us to recognise the value that a principle of religion that is unique to one denomination or faith, has as much value for its adherents as those principles and dogmas of our own faith and practice that others sometimes find odd or questionable?



M:)RGANITE

[galveston]

In reply to drjizzle, and Morganite;

1. I was acquainted with the family, and so know about the circumstances that I relate.
2. I am well aware that Satan knows a lot of languages, but I also know that there is one thing he will never do under any circumstances. Satan will never give honor or credence to the name of Jesus Christ.

My question for proof of reincarnation stands.

[valinors_sorrow]

I also know that there is one thing he will never do under any circumstances. Satan will never give honor or credence to the name of Jesus Christ.

While I realise this is likely going to be answered with bible quotes, Galvestan, can you keep some of the answer more practical too? I am not a believer of the bible so the quotes won't help much and yet I am respectfully curious about how you think you know this as a fact about Satan?

[ordinaryguy]

I have asked any and all for some proof of reincarnaton, yet none of you asks me if I can supply any proof of the truth of Jesus Christ. Why not? The truth of Jesus Christ has always been, is now, verifiable by observation to all who are interested.

What is all this obsession with proof? We all believe more than we know, and we know more than we can prove. If whatever you mean by "the truth of Jesus Christ" is constrained enough to be "verifiable by observation", I doubt that it has much relevance to spiritual life and growth. To observe is, by definition, to look outside. But spiritual life occurs within; to quote Jesus himself, "For the Kingdom of God does not come by looking for it; nor can you say 'Look, here it is!', or 'There!' For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you".

You come across to me as a person who thinks that being good depends on being right. Am I right? That would explain your demand for proofs from others and your eagerness to provide yours to them.

This stirred up so much anger in another website that I am on, answerway.com

What do you think about reincarnation. Do you believe in the possibilities that reincarnation exists and was taught in the earlier christian churches?

Thank you in advance!

Joe

I am fascinated that this thread has generated almost two hundred posts, and shows no sign of dying out. That must mean that it hit some kind of nerve in lots of people. What I notice is that what seems to motivate a lot of the opposition to a belief in reincarnation is a conviction that we only get one chance to get it right, and to embrace any belief that affords the possibility of more than one chance, is to take the easy or cowardly way out, and to spurn the "Lamb of God" whose sacrifice gives us our one and only chance. From my not-very-extensive reading of the Hindu scriptures, at least, I don't think they represent it as easy, or as a way to get out of anything. From that perspective, the whole idea of a sacrificial death by someone else as a means to one's own personal salvation is an easy way out. The hard way is keep at it until you finally get it right.

Personally, I don't find speculation about the particulars of an afterlife very interesting. It's about all I can do to nurture a slender hope that my personality and identity will transcend my death in any form whatsoever.

[Morganite]

The Tooth Fairy is that lie your parents told you until you were old enough to figure things out for yourself.

:)

What is there to figure out? You put your tooth under your pillow. Next morning it's gone and you get $100.00 in its place. Who but the Tooth Fairy...


M:)

Reincarnation is an offense to the Lord. It's like saying He didn't get it right the first time. Are you a Hindu or Budist. There is only one God & there is only one true religion. Through the Son one gets to the Father. I felt my mother's presence too...in a willow tree, but that's bc she does live up there & she loved the weeping willow tree. Our loved ones do witness our lives..they are witnesses...it's in the Bible

Can you give the Bible reference?

But, how can a belif in reincarnation be an offense to anyone? It might be wrong, but iof so, then it is misguided and not a dleiberate slap in the face for God.

Since when is God offended by someone believing something that just ain't so? If he was, he would be offended with everyone including Christians because they have such contrary and odd ideas about him that if he was the kind to take offence he would be permanently offended.

Nikos Kozantsakis got it about right when he wrote:

"God is a potter: He works with mud."
("Christ Recrucified")

M:)RGANITE




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[31pumpkin]

Can you give the Bible reference?

But, how can a belif in reincarnation be an offense to anyone? It might be wrong, but iof so, then it is misguided and not a dleiberate slap in the face for God.

Since when is God offended by someone believing something that just ain't so? If he was, he would be offended with everyone including Christians because they have such contrary and odd ideas about him that if he was the kind to take offence he would be permanently offended.

Nikos Kozantsakis got it about right when he wrote:

"God is a potter: He works with mud."
("Christ Recrucified")

M:)RGANITE




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Well Morganite, The statement about reincarnation being an offense to the Lord came from a Christian book that I read, so it is a Christian opinion that stuck with me. Funny you ask, as that book is one of 2 that I cannot locate in my storage closets or attic since I moved! I know it's here but I might search for it thoroughly when we get the Christmas stuff out. You know how that is- it could take days!
Anyway, the concept stuck with me because it made sense. God IS perfect and so is His plan for mankind and the world. By saying that His creations must be a "do over" then WE are insulting Him in so many words that He is NOT perfect.
I, as a Christian, reject that statement.
As for different ideas about God or Jesus within the Christian faith- I just like to say that I am a non-denominational (maybe a pentecostal at times) but clearly keep my faith simple... belief in Jesus Christ.(Christian)
I don't get into all the different denominations, although sometimes the are worth or require another look. They(denominations) are just the name of the Church anyway(I"M told) and that I can go to any church(almost) as long as Christ is the creed.
So, it still seems logical what the author was saying about God. I think he was speaking about God and not "for God" and that WAS an opinion. I don't think he said "the Lord spoke to him" about this or pointed to any scripture.

[K_3]

In some of the books taken out of the Bible they spoke of reincarnation. I wonder why they left those books out of the Bible when they revised it.

[talaniman]

The bible is a book written by man. There fore it is not perfect.

[K_3]

The bible is a book written by man. There fore it is not perfect.

Yes, it has been revised by man and not just once.

[Cassie]

The Bible is the truth but you are right it has been rewritten to benefit man and his politics through the ages. I believe it is based on the truth. Have you ever read much about Elijah and Elisha in Kings!! Great story.

[Sentra]

Why is there talk about the bible when the OP was asking what we thought about reincarnation?

*Looks and sees the thread up to 20 pages.* Ah. :)

Well, sure, I believe in it but I don't think its for everyone. In this life, we make our own way to what we were meant to do. That's how I see it.