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excon · Oct 1, 2012, 05:57 AM

Hello:

Now, I'm no arithmetician, but if we could save several BILLION $$'s a year by nationalizing the delivery of medicine, we could SAVE Medicare, SS AND not have to cut the military.

What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah... It's socialized medicine... But the word doesn't frighten me. Especially when the future of our country is at stake.

excon

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 06:02 AM

if we could save several BILLION $$'s a year

To sleep, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the rub,

paraclete · Oct 1, 2012, 06:09 AM

You are starting to get the picture Ex, next those money grubbing pharma companies

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 06:17 AM

Hello again, tom:

I'm just saying what Romney said... When he was in Israel, he COMPLIMENTED them on their system...

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

You're the arithmetician... How much IS 10% of our GDP? I'm just guessing, but I'll bet it's enough to fund Medicare forever, and buy a few aircraft carriers... Oh, that's right. We won't NEED Medicare, and we'll STILL save 10%... Boy, oh boy, we'll be SWIMMING in cash, even AFTER we buy those carriers.

What?? Romney is the businessman... Certainly he KNOWS what he's talking about.

Excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 06:41 AM

Yeah well the Obamacare cost curve certainly got bent. Higher and higher upward. We're certainly going to save money on healthcare, keep our doctors and insurance plans... oh wait, no we aren't. But Sandra Fluke will get her free BC by golly. I'd like to thank you for sacrificing my healthcare so she can have worry-free casual sex.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'd like to thank you for sacrificing my healthcare so she can have worry-free casual sex.

Hello again, Steve:

Well, she's a slut... What about saving the nation, Steve? Don't you believe Romney's numbers?? Even if you LIKE your private doctor, it's KILLING us. Don't you CARE about this country?

excon

Fr_Chuck · Oct 1, 2012, 06:53 AM

It is not really the medicine but it is the law suits and malpractice insurance and the sue crazy nation.

I have the example, we just bought Atena health insurance for my wife and son, ( mine is now furnished free where I work) Our policy, private room, 100 percent coverage after 1000 dollar deductable. It costs me 225 dollars a month. Only catch, it is good in every nation of the world, except the US. If I wanted US coverage included the same policy would be 700 or so dollars. It is because if you go in with a sneeze, they will do MRI, blood test, and send your nose fluids to be tested, so they don't miss anything. In other places they say, you have a cold, drink liquids and rest.

Main difference, other places if the doctor is wrong, too bad, doctor was wrong, we are sorry, in the US, it is how many millions can I sue for.

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 06:55 AM

It is not really the medicine but it is the law suits and malpractice insurance and the sue crazy nation.

Bingo ! That alone completely distorts providers costs that get passed on through the system.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

It is not really the medicine but it is the law suits and malpractice insurance and the sue crazy nation.

Hello Padre:

It's ALL of it. But, I'd have no problem with eliminating malpractice lawsuits when universal coverage is instituted...

Look... I don't want to talk about the PHILOSOPHY of private vs socialized medicine... We've been there. In fact, philosophically, I'm OPPOSED to it. However, FINANCIALLY I'm in favor of it. I am WILLING to put my philosophy aside in order to SAVE my country... What about YOU?

Let's talk about NUMBERS and not ideology. This wasn't addressed at you, Padre. I'm just using your post.. So, how much IS 10% of our GDP??

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Well, she's a slut... What about saving the nation, Steve? Don't you believe Romney's numbers??? Even if you LIKE your private doctor, it's KILLING us. Don't you CARE about this country?

excon

You aren't paying for my healthcare. Yet.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You aren't paying for my healthcare. Yet.

Hello again, Steve:

So, you DON'T believe Romney's numbers... Interestingly, these are the ONLY numbers from him that I DO believe.

excon

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 07:20 AM

Romney's greatest weaknesses are the self inflicted ones .

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, you DON'T believe Romney's numbers... Interestingly, these are the ONLY numbers from him that I DO believe.

excon

You said me liking my doctor was "killing us" and all I said was you aren't paying for my healthcare - yet. In other words, wouldn't it be nice if everyone that could do so would take care of themselves like I do instead of sucking the taxpayers dry? Gee, I wonder how much money that would free up?

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

wouldn't it be nice if everyone that could do so would take care of themselves like I do instead of sucking the taxpayers dry?

Hello again, Steve:

So, you don't CARE what the numbers are, you ain't going to budge.. And, you don't CARE whether the country can afford it, you ain't going to budge..

How patriotic is that?

excon

smoothy · Oct 1, 2012, 08:27 AM

Let the people give up their cell phones and Starbucks and X-boxes... so they can pay for their own insurance like the rest of us have had to do.

Its called making sacrifices...

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 08:29 AM

Hello again,

So, since nobody from YOUR side wants to know the numbers, I looked... We have a $15 TRILLION GDP. 10% of that is $1.5 TRILLION.

Couldn't we buy a few aircraft carriers with that? Couldn't we fund SS forever? I don't know. They're just numbers. Do they MEAN anything?

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, you don't CARE what the numbers are, you ain't gonna budge.. And, you don't CARE whether the country can afford it, you ain't gonna budge..

How patriotic is that?

excon

No sir I'm not going to budge, I'd rather you didn't have to pay for my healthcare because I'm a swell guy.

smoothy · Oct 1, 2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

So, since nobody from YOUR side wants to know the numbers, I looked... We have a $15 TRILLION GDP. 10% of that is $1.5 TRILLION.

Couldn't we buy a few aircraft carriers with that? Couldn't we fund SS forever? I dunno. They're just numbers. Do they MEAN anything??

excon

We shouldn't have to be worrying about funding SSI now... if past administrations (yes DEMOCRATS TOO) had not spent it on other things.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

We shouldn't have to be worrying about funding SSI now.....if past administrations (yes DEMOCRATS TOO) had not spent it on other things.

Hello again, smoothy:

That was yesterday... We have a crisis TODAY. I'm just looking for ways to solve it. I'm a fixer, not a complainer.

excon

smoothy · Oct 1, 2012, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

That was yesterday... We have a crisis TODAY. I'm just looking for ways to solve it. I'm a fixer, not a complainer.

excon

Then get rid of Obama... he's a spender and not a fixer.