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Jun 1, 2021, 04:32 AM
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The work which likely created COVID-19 was paid for by the United States.
Yet another reason to have a fed gov limited in size and budget.
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Jun 1, 2021, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
and you guys get upset when I am critical of the US government
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Jun 4, 2021, 02:26 AM
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Vanity Fair expose on the lab theory illustrates how TDS ,and a possible US connection to the origin delayed investigation of the prime suspect reason for the virus for over a year.
With President Trump out of office, it should be possible to reject his xenophobic agenda and still ask why, in all places in the world, did the outbreak begin in the city with a laboratory housing one of the world’s most extensive collection of bat viruses, doing some of the most aggressive research?
or the theory should've been explored at the outset instead of being rejected out of hand because of who was in office.
On December 9, 2020, roughly a dozen State Department employees from four different bureaus gathered in a conference room in Foggy Bottom to discuss an upcoming fact-finding mission to Wuhan organized in part by the World Health Organization. The group agreed on the need to press China to allow a thorough, credible, and transparent investigation, with unfettered access to markets, hospitals, and government laboratories. The conversation then turned to the more sensitive question: What should the U.S. government say publicly about the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
A small group within the State Department’s Arms Control, Verification, and Compliance bureau had been studying the Institute for months. The group had recently acquired classified intelligence suggesting that three WIV researchers conducting gain-of-function experiments on coronavirus samples had fallen ill in the autumn of 2019, before the COVID-19 outbreak was known to have started.
As officials at the meeting discussed what they could share with the public, they were advised by Christopher Park, the director of the State Department’s Biological Policy Staff in the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, not to say anything that would point to the U.S. government’s own role in gain-of-function research, according to documentation of the meeting obtained by Vanity Fair. Some of the attendees were “absolutely floored,” said an official familiar with the proceedings. That someone in the U.S. government could “make an argument that is so nakedly against transparency, in light of the unfolding catastrophe, was…shocking and disturbing.”
Park, who in 2017 had been involved in lifting a U.S. government moratorium on funding for gain-of-function research, was not the only official to warn the State Department investigators against digging in sensitive places. As the group probed the lab-leak scenario, among other possibilities, its members were repeatedly advised not to open a “Pandora’s box,” said four former State Department officials interviewed by Vanity Fair. The admonitions “smelled like a cover-up,” said Thomas DiNanno, “and I wasn’t going to be part of it.”
The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair
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Jun 4, 2021, 03:47 AM
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Dr Fauci was a trusted key advisor to Trump in the early days of the pandemic . He convinced him to do the early shut down mandates . He also publicly downplayed the idea that the origin of the virus was in a gain of function research lab in Wuhan .
But Fauci emails from that period show that he knew the scenario was more than kook conspiracy theory ;and that the NIH he heads was partially responsible for the gain of function research going on in the lab .They also show that he conspired with the likes of Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook to suppress any news feed that forwarded the possibility .
Of course the Compost is still carrying his water ..... "Hundreds of pages of emails obtained by The Post and BuzzFeed News through Freedom of Information Act requests confirm the way Fauci is already viewed by many — as diplomatic, tactful and responsive to inquiries from the public, a quality which often kept him up late at night answering emails. “The correspondence from March and April 2020 opens a window to Fauci’s world during some of the most frantic days of the crisis, when the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was struggling to bring coherence to the Trump administration’s chaotic response to the virus and President Donald Trump was seeking to minimize its severity,” The Post’s Damian Paletta and Yasmeen Abutaleb write. “Fauci’s actions during that period and beyond remain an intense focus for many Americans and political leaders,” they add. “During daily televised briefings at the White House, Fauci emerged as an at times reluctant — and polarizing — media star: To Trump supporters, he was a contrarian who seemed to undermine the president at every turn, while others viewed him as a reassuring voice of reason.” ...Fauci didn’t like the public adoration."
Thankfully there are some journalists who are more inquisitive and have a degree of integrity not usually found in the Compost (Josh Rogan being the exception )
This from the Australian : America’s top medical adviser Anthony Fauci was informed as early as February 2020 that Covid-19 exhibited unusual viral characteristics which could have potentially been engineered in a lab, according to emails published. A trove of private correspondence, obtained by The Washington Post and Buzzfeed, reveal some of the crucial moments leading up to the pandemic in early 2020 when Dr Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, sought urgent information regarding the nature and origins of Covid-19... In one email from Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in California, Dr Fauci was told that Dr Andersen and his fellow scientists had to “look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered”.
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Jun 4, 2021, 06:42 AM
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So Tom you have found some "evidence" covid is engineered, weaponised and now we need to focus on who the intended victims are?
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Jun 4, 2021, 09:19 AM
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A simple Google search would have revealed that this Theory from the scientist was quickly debunked as alluded to at the end of the provided link.
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Jun 4, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Dr Fauci was a trusted key advisor to Trump
Tomder, one of these days you are going to discover that some members here actually read your posts and your links. As is usual, they come up with nothing that supports whatever is your contention du jour. Maybe you just like to see your name here.
Dr. Fauci has been a target of yours since very early on - why is that? Trump was quick to discard him because Fauci refused to toe the line. Good for Fauci.
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Jun 5, 2021, 05:25 AM
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So where's the vaccine that was supposedly developing from their theory? I get the need to investigate and China's actions are highly suspicious but hey we got nothing so far just theories.
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Jun 6, 2021, 06:16 AM
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Yes theories but theories have done soo much for us, they have given us AGW, they have given us the war on drugs, they have given us the WMD in Iraq, they have given us the war on terror where we bombed Afghanistan when we should have bombed Saudi Arabia and now they have given us weaponised covid virus
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Jun 24, 2021, 11:12 AM
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Back in October 2019, the Military World Games were being held in Wuhan.9,000 athletes from 100 different nations participated . Ten thousand "volunteers" served time at the games .Many of the athletes said they later fell ill with COVID-like symptoms. Participants from France, Germany, Italy and Luxembourg claimed they had contracted the deadly disease at the Wuhan games, because of their symptoms and how easily their sickness spread to their loved ones.
Again this was October 2019 . 2 months before the first case of covid is reported to have occurred .
US military leaders either dismissed the possibility or were unaware of it, and no antibody testing was ever conducted on the athletes who attended the games.
We now know that lab workers at Wuhan became sick with covid in November ;a month before the Chinese have admitted about the 1st case . It is clear that the disease began to spread even sooner ;by mid October . The Chinese were fully aware of this . Luxembourg triathlete Oliver Gorges ,who got covid during the games said that "It was a ghost town," "There were rumors that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out." Gorges said he had his temperature recorded on arrival at the airport while athletes were made to wash their hands every time they entered the canteen and were ordered not to take food out of the premises.
Revelations from World Military Games' Athletes Hint at Covid-19 Spread in China in October (yahoo.com)
A number of French athletes who were at the World Military Games have since described coming down with severe flu-like symptoms while at the event.
Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) wrote to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff asking for more details . “Given unanswered questions surrounding the origins of the pandemic, information involving the health of service members who participated in the 2019 games could provide key evidence in understanding when COVID-19 first emerged,”
Letter_World Military Games_6.21.pdf (house.gov)
Last year the Chinese made the absurd claim that covid originated in an American lab . They then claimed that US athletes brought the disease with them to make the Wuhan games a super spreader event . This while at the same time claiming that covid originated in a meat market ,
To me it is simple . Have every athlete who participated get tested for covid antibodies then do contact tracing from there .
The only true reporter left at the Compost; Josh Rogin , is also reporting in this
Opinion | Congress is investigating whether the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan was a covid-19 superspreader event - The Washington Post
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Jun 24, 2021, 07:51 PM
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How do I say this ~ very interesting but also stupid. That there appears to have been a major out break in Wuhan, the source of of covid 19 that predates the official version of events and we are just hearing about this now. perhaps this explains the very quick spread to Europe and even the Chinese assertion that the disease came from outside. How is it the WHO investigation didn't uncover this. the Chinese have a lot to answer for, they have been as opaque as the red brick many of their buildings are made of
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Jun 25, 2021, 04:50 AM
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How is it the WHO investigation didn't uncover this.
Are you seriously asking that?
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Jun 25, 2021, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Are you seriously asking that?
Yes, one would have thought the events would have been reported to The WHO in the light of subsequent events. Ok they put it down to the Flu, but weeks later????????????????????
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Jun 25, 2021, 05:31 AM
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I guess I'm just questioning the objectivity of the WHO. Investigations by biased groups don't accomplish much.
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Jun 25, 2021, 06:19 AM
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Yes, the Trump line again
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Jun 25, 2021, 06:27 AM
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Yes. The unaware Aussie line again.
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Jun 25, 2021, 11:52 AM
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If there was ever proof that WHO carries water for China this is it .
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Jun 25, 2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes. The unaware Aussie line again.
No I have followed the story fairly well so far. The Aussie line, by the way, has been all along, we want a detailed investigation so we can all learn as there have been too many of these SARS events originating in China. This disease has caused serious world wide disruption and death
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