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  1. Question: God of Love

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    What is painfully apparent is this from WG ...

    What is painfully apparent is this from WG

    Post #257: You said, "None of those say that we can come to God without Him first calling us. However, these passages ALL say that no one can come to...
  2. Question: God of Love

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    LOL - I know exactly what you mean! Yes,...

    LOL - I know exactly what you mean!



    Yes, the snake is Satan (hasatan). I don't think that's ever been denied. The question is - based on that story - can snakes talk? I say no, the story is...
  3. Question: God of Love

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    Have you given up on replying to my post #216?...

    Have you given up on replying to my post #216? Especially your reference to Genesis, if that is what it was.

    I hope you're not reverting to your hit-and-run approach to this board again. Once in...
  4. Question: God of Love

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    I SPECIFICALLY said "in your example"! ...

    I SPECIFICALLY said "in your example"!



    See WG's reply above for the answer to this comment of yours.



    If it's Genesis you are referencing, I still don't know what your comment means....
  5. Question: God of Love

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    The fact that deities are fictional in your...

    The fact that deities are fictional in your example is self-evident. If you want to call it an assumption, that's ok with me.



    You missed my point. The fictional part of an historical novel is...
  6. Question: God of Love

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    Fiction is fiction. It doesn't have levels. You...

    Fiction is fiction. It doesn't have levels. You can't have more fictional or less fictional. It's like being a little pregnant. You're either pregnant or not pregnant. Gotta be one or the other.
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  7. Question: God of Love

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    I forgot to comment on this first time around....

    I forgot to comment on this first time around. (Took me three times to figure out that window thing).

    The author laid a curse on anyone who would change anything in Revelation.

    During the...
  8. Question: BLM strikes back

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    Proof positive that BLM is for justice, not...

    Proof positive that BLM is for justice, not racism.

    If you watched the trial, self-defense was not close to being proven. Even though the judge has incredibly shown his preference for the...
  9. Question: God of Love

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    I'm sorry, DW, but you're going around and around...

    I'm sorry, DW, but you're going around and around each time you post. First you write one thing, then you write another thing when I challenge what you wrote, then you post the first thing again.
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  10. Question: God of Love

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    Other than what I said, there was not much more...

    Other than what I said, there was not much more to say. You explained it well and in detail. I don't know what more I could have said.



    I'm glad to hear you say that. But in your post 187 you...
  11. Question: My Miracle Story

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    See the other thread "God of Love" for reply.

    See the other thread "God of Love" for reply.
  12. Question: God of Love

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    Not sure what you mean by this reply. Did you...

    Not sure what you mean by this reply. Did you want me to accept it was a miracle based only on your say-so? I have no doubt you believe it was a miracle, but more than your belief is needed to...
  13. Question: My Miracle Story

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    Thanks for posting it. It was very interesting. ...

    Thanks for posting it. It was very interesting.

    I hope you'll be around tomorrow where I'd like to continue the discussion from your other post.
  14. Question: God of Love

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    That's a base canard! I never ridiculed anyone in...

    That's a base canard! I never ridiculed anyone in my entire life!

    Btw, I have a question for you:

    When you talk to snakes, do they talk back? In English?
  15. White Evangelicals - Who Are They? What Are They?

    There are 61,000,000 white evangelicals in the US. 49,000,000 voted for Trump in 2020. That was 67% of Trump's total vote of 74,000,000. About one-half of white evangelicals live in the South. They...
  16. Question: God of Love

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    My religious beliefs are not important.

    My religious beliefs are not important.
  17. Question: God of Love

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    As historians, surely we can rule out gods and...

    As historians, surely we can rule out gods and goddesses and miracles depicted in works of fiction. Not knowing everything about nature hardly supports the belief that anything found in fiction is...
  18. Question: God of Love

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    You mentioned the Sumerian epic poem but nothing...

    You mentioned the Sumerian epic poem but nothing about the Babylonians - you can always go back and see what you wrote. You seem to be saying that the Sumerian poem is a true example of a miraculous...
  19. Question: God of Love

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    You misunderstood - what else is new? The...

    You misunderstood - what else is new?

    The argument from silence is your argument that since no early church father is on record as doubting the authorship of the Gospels, the authorship is...
  20. Question: God of Love

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    That was an excellent article. Thanks for posting...

    That was an excellent article. Thanks for posting it.



    That's an argument from silence. Not valid. For the reasons that no early church father is on record, read the article you linked. It's...
  21. Question: God of Love

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    '...unspeakably weak..." Indeed! Since you...

    '...unspeakably weak..." Indeed! Since you wouldn't leave it alone, here's one for you.

    The traditional authors of the canonical Gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - are doubted among the...
  22. Question: God of Love

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    Any written document (letter, book, etc.) is not...

    Any written document (letter, book, etc.) is not considered eyewitness testimony if the authorship is disputed. Those are rules of evidence. The disputed authorship of the Gospels has been discussed...
  23. Question: God of Love

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    I think we have to define our terms to have a...

    I think we have to define our terms to have a good discussion.

    A miracle is an event that denies/defies/goes against scientific knowledge. It cannot be explained by the known laws of nature -...
  24. Question: God of Love

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    Good for you. That's it - precisely. It will...

    Good for you. That's it - precisely. It will "never be met". There is no example that will prove the resurrection. That's the point!



    A book written centuries ago is NOT an eye-witness. It is...
  25. Question: God of Love

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    As promised, I went back and looked at each of...

    As promised, I went back and looked at each of your posts and not a single one had "other examples of ancient literature that claim miraculous events". As far as Caesar, I can't find you claiming...
  26. Question: God of Love

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    I sincerely apologize. I will go look for them...

    I sincerely apologize. I will go look for them now - or you could give me your post #s where they can be found, just so I don't miss them again.



    That Caesar reference was directed at Jl who...
  27. Question: God of Love

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    Solid evidence that you have not understood what...

    Solid evidence that you have not understood what I said.



    The evidence required is at least as fantastic as what is being claimed - i.e., God in human form rising from the dead and ascending...
  28. Question: God of Love

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    More than once now, I have told you that the...

    More than once now, I have told you that the responsibility for providing evidence lies with you since you are the one making the claim.



    Faith is the assent to an idea for which complete...
  29. Question: God of Love

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    I'm always surprised when the New Testament is...

    I'm always surprised when the New Testament is compared to other ancient works by saying the NT is not given the credence of those other works - a double standard.

    The answer for that is...
  30. Question: God of Love

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    Wow - what a bad start! I have NOT "dismissed the...

    Wow - what a bad start! I have NOT "dismissed the Gospels". I have asked for the claimed evidence that the resurrection occurred.



    I have NOT dismissed "all history" because "they include...
  31. Question: God of Love

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    I have no idea why you are saying that. ...

    I have no idea why you are saying that.



    I'm happy to leave it there. But I insist on you NOT misquoting me. I never said I "don't know what that would be". What I DID say was the job of...
  32. Question: God of Love

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    YOU are the one claiming evidence, not me. I...

    YOU are the one claiming evidence, not me. I don't know why you are blaming me for something I never claimed - if that is what an end-run is.



    When you claim something to be true that cannot...
  33. Question: God of Love

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    No offense but I don't think you understand what...

    No offense but I don't think you understand what logic is. For starters, you are assuming, without proof, that the events described are actual occurrences. That remains to be seen, regardless of what...
  34. Question: God of Love

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    My answer was, and is, that circumstantial...

    My answer was, and is, that circumstantial evidence is not enough for such a rare event as the resurrection from death. Comparing it to "most historical events" is a problem since it is absolutely...
  35. Question: God of Love

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    That may be true but the discussion here was that...

    That may be true but the discussion here was that there is proof of evidence that the resurrection happened. You have changed the terms to indicate "probability".

    The problem with your items 1...
  36. Question: God of Love

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    When Josephus wrote the passage in question he...

    When Josephus wrote the passage in question he was a Jew. As a Jew, he never would have referred to Jesus as the Messiah. "Reportage" in this case is heresay. You cannot expect heresay to be evidence...
  37. Question: God of Love

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    Josephus, a Jew, would not have said Christ was...

    Josephus, a Jew, would not have said Christ was the Messiah. The language in the passage is too Christian. In another manuscript the words "They said" are found before "He appeared". "They said" is...
  38. Question: God of Love

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    You saved me the time. Yes, they don't agree that...

    You saved me the time. Yes, they don't agree that there was a resurrection.

    Several generations after the fact, they are reporting the existence of Christians and, in the case of Pliny and...
  39. Question: God of Love

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    Most Christians believe in a literal...

    Most Christians believe in a literal resurrection, for some Christians it's a spiritual resurrection, and for a handful it's a literary resurrection.

    In any case, there is no “evidence” for...
  40. Question: God of Love

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    The reason is very simple. It's your blind...

    The reason is very simple. It's your blind idolatry to a 2,000 year old series of books that you are unable to read with any understanding. You can hide but you can't ignore.

    Most white...
  41. Question: God of Love

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    It hasn't happened. You have a serious problem...

    It hasn't happened. You have a serious problem with truth.
  42. Question: God of Love

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    You got your answer - to expose YOU.

    You got your answer - to expose YOU.
  43. Question: God of Love

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    It goes to expose you for the false belief of...

    It goes to expose you for the false belief of Jesus sending people (his creations, humans, sinners, unbelievers - whatever the term du jour is) - for sending these people to hell for eternal...
  44. Question: God of Love

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    Did you really say that? Right here in black and...

    Did you really say that? Right here in black and white? Amazing!!

    YOU are the chief promoter of hell from the Gospels ever seen on thses pages.
  45. Question: God of Love

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    It is not possible to hold a discussion in that...

    Every so often JL writes something that is so ironically funny it fits him to a "T".

    His statement above is one of those things.

    EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE (except his pal Tomder) has one time...
  46. Question: Genuine Attitudes

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    Huh? I never said "faith in Christ prevents...

    Huh? I never said "faith in Christ prevents physical death". Please stop fabricating things that plainly are not true. Please.



    So you falsely quote me anyway ???



    Jl, READ MY LIPS,...
  47. Then why are they saying natural immunity is...

    Then why are they saying natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity when the statistical studies say otherwise?

    The study, released as a part of the agency's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly...
  48. Question: Genuine Attitudes

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    So we're back to misquotes. What's next?...

    So we're back to misquotes. What's next? Misspellings again? Punctuation? Jl, I know you have a hard time sticking to the issue with all your tangents, but this is ridiculous.



    How in the world...
  49. Compliant Press finally figures out Herr Doctor ...

    Compliant Press finally figures out Herr Doctor

    More Right-wing Republican BS from Tomder. The below is from the CDC.

    A new study released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on...
  50. Question: Genuine Attitudes

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    Jl says my best answers are "filled with holes"....

    Jl says my best answers are "filled with holes". I ask him for specifics but he can't give specifics, saying he's already done so. So much for that one.



    When I reply that "millions" of people...
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