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    Never said that. I understand that I could...

    Never said that.

    I understand that I could post a thousand passages, and the response would be cherry picking, I talked to Jesus when I was a child, just change the subject, and on it goes.

    I...
  2. It's what wrong with the repubs. It seems they...

    It's what wrong with the repubs. It seems they are just less extreme democrats.
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    Yes. Just ignore the John passage. Have it your...

    Yes. Just ignore the John passage. Have it your way.
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    Yes indeed. He loved us so much that He gave His...

    Yes indeed. He loved us so much that He gave His own life so that those who follow Him in faith would be delivered from God's judgment. If you accept the Bible, then that is a clear, plain truth. You...
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    Good morning, WG. I would just reply that you...

    Good morning, WG. I would just reply that you seem to be content with giving them half the message that Christ gave. Do you know more than Him?
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    No one here believes that apparently but you, ...

    No one here believes that apparently but you,

    You cannot separate hell from judgment. For instance, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?" Note those are...
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    Living in a fantasy world is not love. Telling...

    Living in a fantasy world is not love. Telling people of a coming day of judgment is a great act of love. You are trying, it seems to me, to justify your unbelief. And I don't say that meanly. You...
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    If you really love people, you will tell them...

    If you really love people, you will tell them about Mt. 25.
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    If you want to believe that, then go for it. It's...

    If you want to believe that, then go for it. It's utter speculation.

    Perhaps Jesus meant what He said and wants WG to believe it.
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    And then, of course, there is the unmistakable...

    And then, of course, there is the unmistakable meaning of Mt. 25, as well as chapters 5, 8, 13 (2 references), and 18. I am faith bound to follow the teachings of Christ as opposed to whoever Gary...
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    If you were "chatting" with Jesus, then you would...

    If you were "chatting" with Jesus, then you would accept what He said. I don't think He said, "WG, just pick and choose from my statements based upon your own preconceived ideas."
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    The ones he described in Mt. 25. Read it for...

    The ones he described in Mt. 25. Read it for yourself.

    You're trying to turn this into an argument. I'm trying to get you to listen to Jesus and make your own views subservient to His. It's not...
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    Jesus didn't write any of the Gospels, but He is...

    Jesus didn't write any of the Gospels, but He is quoted extensively. This is plainly one of those places.

    It's amazing that you consider yourself so familiar with how Jesus "sounds" that you can...
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    All answered in Mt. 25 in a very specific manner...

    All answered in Mt. 25 in a very specific manner including who IS and who IS NOT. If you won't believe Jesus, then why would you ask me?
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    Never heard of "Young Sheldon". We watch very...

    Never heard of "Young Sheldon". We watch very little network TV.

    Why ask me? Read Mt. 25 and take the words of Jesus to heart.
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    Sorry, but Matthew 25 clearly shows that hell is...

    Sorry, but Matthew 25 clearly shows that hell is far more than a garbage pit. The word "gehenna" is not even used in that text. There are a number of Greek words that translate as "hell".

    He...
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    I could actually support a targeted reparations...

    I could actually support a targeted reparations program, paid for with additional taxes on all those who are descendants of former slave owners, if it meant that all talk of past injustices would...
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    Doubtless left out of the conversation will be...

    Doubtless left out of the conversation will be some way to pay for this. The only truly just answer would be to have a tax on those responsible for past discrimination, be it housing or whatever....
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    One Man's Testimony

    This was reposted this morning on a social media site by a guy who went through our program about five years ago. We have stayed somewhat in touch since then. His life reflects the saving power of...
  20. Surely the ever vigilant, truth-hungry Colbert...

    Surely the ever vigilant, truth-hungry Colbert called her on that?? Well, I suppose not.
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    Nothing for the descendants of men killed in the...

    Nothing for the descendants of men killed in the Union army fighting to free slaves? Why am I not surprised?
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    You don't accept the Bible. I understand that....

    You don't accept the Bible. I understand that. The Bible makes no reference to "talking snakes". Even at that, to suggest it does violates your principle that all text is subjective. After all,...
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    I have told you what Jesus said. You can accept...

    I have told you what Jesus said. You can accept it or reject it. Whether I "support" it or not, whatever that means, is not important. It just is what it is.

    Your opinion. You are welcome to it. ...
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    Am I to take your comment as strictly subjective,...

    Am I to take your comment as strictly subjective, which you say is true of everything, or is there an objective element to it?

    I've never claimed to "support" that idea, and certainly don't love...
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    This is evidently what now passes for a well...

    This is evidently what now passes for a well thought-out response by a liberal.

    And still no response to post 33 by the guy who claimed someone else was avoiding answering. To quote a member,...
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    As I feared. You don't like being questioned, so...

    As I feared. You don't like being questioned, so when you are asked to explain what on earth you're talking about and you can't, then it's always someone else's fault, and you run off in a huff....
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    Perhaps we could start here. Does the New...

    Perhaps we could start here. Does the New Testament actually have any objective meaning? You contended a long time back that the Greek word translated as eternal (aionios) does not mean everlasting...
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    Mr. Pot strikes again. You need to stop avoiding...

    Mr. Pot strikes again. You need to stop avoiding post 33.
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    A long-winded way of saying that no text is...

    A long-winded way of saying that no text is reliable and everything is subjective. It's a plainly ridiculous idea since, if it was true, then even your own statement would have no objective meaning....
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    You will be looking for an offset toilet flange....

    You will be looking for an offset toilet flange. If you have a local plumbing supply store, you can probably take a few pics and go there. They'll get the right flange for you and likely tell you how...
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    That is indeed the great unanswered question....

    That is indeed the great unanswered question. Both the mayor and Pelosi turned down offers of assistance prior to 1/6. Why?? And why would Trump make that offer if he wanted such an event to occur?
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    A partial reply to post 25. That's...

    A partial reply to post 25.

    That's inaccurate. One man has been convicted when it was found he had his pickup truck parked near the Capitol with material sufficient for 11 Molotov cocktails and...
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    The "ring true" system of verifying a passage is...

    The "ring true" system of verifying a passage is entirely subjective and therefore of no practical use. There is no evidence at all that the Mt. 25 passage was a later addition, and to suggest we...
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    Jesus is both Judge and Savior. John 3....

    Jesus is both Judge and Savior.

    John 3. ...that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have life everlasting.


    Is. 45 “Declare and set forth your case;
    Indeed, let them consult...
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    That sound logic will never work here. It is not...

    That sound logic will never work here. It is not an anti-Trump narrative, so it will be dismissed.
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    I don't know about state-sponsored voting...

    I don't know about state-sponsored voting discrepancies in 2020, but it is abundantly clear that there was a conspiracy amongst most of the media to promote Biden. Elon Musk is the latest...
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    The crux of the disagreement. "You have Mr Trump...

    The crux of the disagreement. "You have Mr Trump to thank for that view point."

    Trump played his part to be sure, but he was such a target of vitriol that you wonder how anyone else would have...
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    So that's how an adult acts? Would never have...

    So that's how an adult acts? Would never have guessed it! You'll pardon me if I don't follow your example.
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    An insurrection is an organized, typically...

    An insurrection is an organized, typically violent attempt to overthrow an existing government. Jan. 6 fell far short of that.
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    You initially said, "You have Mr Trump to thank...

    You initially said, "You have Mr Trump to thank for that view point," which makes it sound as though it's all on him. Now you are saying he exacerbated it. I could agree with that, but there are many...
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    I was basically with you until your final...

    I was basically with you until your final sentence.
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    I'd start the description off with God himself....

    I'd start the description off with God himself. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all there and accessible to us. What could compare with that? It's impossible to describe.
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    That would be a good place for the republican...

    That would be a good place for the republican House to begin. Sadly, I doubt they will.
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    All five were charged with "seditious...

    All five were charged with "seditious conspiracy", an ancient law passed just after the Civil War and one that is difficult to prove since it is so broad in scope. Three were found not guilty, so...
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    My disagreement was based upon your wording of,...

    My disagreement was based upon your wording of, "...the Jesus that the Gospel writers had condemning people to spend eternity in a fiery torture chamber??" It sounds as though you believe the Gospel...
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    Can't generally tell. Then the person should...

    Can't generally tell.

    Then the person should say that. But it's hard to imagine entering into a discussion with someone but then refusing to answer a serious question because of that.
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    Sure, as long as it's an honest "maybe". Then...

    Sure, as long as it's an honest "maybe".

    Then what is the reason?
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    " the action or process of talking about...

    " the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas..." I'm all for it.

    Insults? You mean like this?



    Or this?


    The biggest aggravation...
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    Discussion only exists when people have...

    Discussion only exists when people have sufficient courage to post their ideas and subject them to scrutiny. Otherwise, it's just polite conversation. That's fine and useful, but not really...
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    Who asked you to do that?

    Who asked you to do that?
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