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I don't think a discussion about the reliability of the text of the NT is a "foolish controversy". But it's good to let it drop. Unproductive, as it turned out.

This bear repeating.

But if you know of NT passages that were corrupted by "translators", then put it out for us to see. In your four years of discussing such things, surely you have good...

That's one of those corrupted texts, isn't it? Remember those dishonest translators you mentioned?

Thus sayeth Wondergirl.

It's what I dislike about trying to discuss anything with you. The Hebrews passage is a perfect example.

1. You claimed I took it out of context. I provided the context, so you then went to...
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Yeah, I read what Athos wrote. He, apparently like you, had no support for his beliefs. But if you know of NT passages that were corrupted by "translators", then put it out for us to see. In your...

If that is true, and there is no evidence of it, but if it’s true, then no part is reliable. That would include the parts you believe. All discussions of the Bible would just be fruitless nonsense...

God bless you WG. I can believe your ideas or I can believe the clear and plain teachings of the Bible. I’m going with the Bible. It requires no excuses or illogical explanations.

Except that much of his rebuke was for His own disciples. What about that???

But even at that it still is plainly true, by your own response, that Jesus rebuked people.

The missing condition...

That's not too bad except you left off what Peter included. Do you see it?

Why? Because it disagrees with your views? Even worse, this is the Proverbs text. In what way does it support your idea...

Perhaps I see your problem. You do not know the Bible. You do not know the Bible because, I think, you fear the Bible. You realize it will destroy your mythical Jesus. There is a real Jesus. When...

First you claimed I took the Heb. scripture out of context. When I provided the context, you chose to not look at the Heb. 12 text at all. I can only assume you have chosen to ignore it as you do any...

Yes, He was. The punishment He received was the judgment that would have rightly fallen upon us. Now, the discipline we receive as sons/daughters is meant to point us in the right direction and to...

Just another general criticism with no specifics. If you want to be taken seriously, then make your case carefully.

Many times, and I am very grateful for it.

You asked for context. Here it is....

And in a non-literal manner, I understand your words to mean that you completely approve of my views and support me fully.

Well, that's about as foolish as reading Heb. 12:6 and somehow coming to...

I have no idea why you insist on arguing over everything. I am, however, glad to find out you are not a literalist. That means I can take your words to mean that you love my methods of discipline,...

You need to learn that just because you happen to disagree with the Bible does not mean someone else doesn't understand it. This is the word translated as "punishes". mastigóō – properly, to whip...

It works, unlike what we are doing now. Don't believe that? Ask Jenn.

Perhaps the difference between us is that I actually WAS a principal and had to keep a lid on an entire school. You have...

Bathrooms are easy. Don't let the persecuted in at the same time as the persecutors. Buses can be a problem for sure, but in our case it was very unlikely that the persecutor and the persecuted would...

Except that, in Jenn's case, the parents said it was the teacher's problem.

So there were times when you allowed your students to be unsupervised??? At any rate, we handled it MANY times...

Honestly, I never even had one that wasn't potty trained and that included pre-K. I imagine I'd tell the parent to take their child home until he/she is potty trained. And I say that as a principal...

But I won't be potty training kids. That's amazing.

I guess it depends on where you are. In my time, I didn't see much degradation of student behavior, and academic performance actually improved some due, I think, to the demands of state testing. But...

Wow. I can only say you are a trooper. School teachers should never be responsible for having to clean up bathroom accidents. Children in pullups at five years old is just crazy.

If I was still a...

Parents more and more do not want to discipline their children. I am noticing this with our 18 month old granddaughter. Her parents can tell her "no", and maybe she will listen and maybe not. I...

I was an elem. principal for 16 years. I never recall us having to potty train a K student. It's just craziness.

Wow. That’s just incredible. K students arriving in diapers!

Pre-K???

It's probably the wave of the future. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out. The greatest objection I hear is that most kids don't really know what they want to do when they are preteens....

There have been proposals for high schools to put students on tracks in, for instance, the tenth grade. Students could go for vocational training, medical track, academic track, and so forth. That...

I'm all for vocational programs. I'm just saying that there are challenges that most non-school people are not aware of.

Welcome to the board, Randomperson!

WG, I'm sure that what you are...

And that has become so widespread and nonsensical that I don't know what can be done to reverse it. I can only tell parents to choose carefully.

You are describing what took place at home, not at the schools. I doubt it was as widespread as you think it was. You really think most homes had hamsters back then, or litter boxes for cats, or had...

Back when we had a large number of two parent families we had the Ten Commandments on the wall and prayer in schools. Voc programs were sparse. Draw your own conclusions.

How's that?

The author was doing pretty well until this. "They will not have time to think about drugs, gangs, carjackings and other illegal activities." That's just fantasy.

But otherwise, it has some...