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I've enjoyed your insights. My concern about authorship revolves around the idea of taking four Gospels that were either anonymous or written, perhaps, by lessor individuals, and then going through...

I assume your second statement is only referring to very early manuscripts?

You seem to be assuming that Eusebius oversaw a massive effort to post superscripts to ALL of the Gospel accounts falsely attributing authorship to Matthew, et al. Doesn't that sound fantastic to...

Not too sure about that.

"All early sources mentioning Gospel authorship (namely: Papias, the Muratorian fragment, and Irenaeus) attribute them to the traditional authors Matthew, Mark, Luke, and...

If you had wanted to, you could have cited Papias, Ireneaus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Peter of Alexandria, Eusebius, Justin Martyr, and Origen, just to mention a few. Additionally, every...

We find something we agree on. I have a hard time following Walter.

I have the life that can only be found in Christ. That was never the issue.

I have simply asked you to support your beliefs in the Bible. You don't seem able to do so, but as I've said, you are free to believe as you will.

So you never listen to a Christian teacher or preacher? Why did Paul tell this to Timothy? "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who...

Such as?
I simply asked for Biblical support for either position. You have provided nothing.

You have provided nothing. If you want to believe that, or if you want to say that you believe it...

Yes, it is. It is many things, but it is certainly our source of objective truth about God, so if you make a claim about God, you should find it clearly in the Bible.

WG, there is an enormous...

Fair enough.

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

"Do not...

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

If we refuse, He will find others. Doesn't the Esther passage make that abundantly clear? Didn't the Exodus passage make that very plain?

You really think God views that as a problem?

That's fine and good as far as it goes. But when you start thinking that God cannot get by without you, then you've gone too far. As it was said to Esther, “Do not imagine that you are safe in the...

You have posted scriptures where we are told to go and do things. You've posted nothing about God needing us.

We are needed in one sense. Yes, it is needful for us to tell people the Gospel message and to love others. However, we are certainly not needed in the sense that God could not get along without us....

I never said those things. I said Jesus never sinned and He had no sin nature as we do. "Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”

All good points.

No. Adam was not divine, and Adam was capable of sinning.
He became sin on the cross, but He was not a sinner. He had no sin nature and He committed no sins.

I simply asked for any place in the Bible that supports your belief there. Such scripture evidently does not exist. I certainly agree with that.

It seems you are saying that Jesus is 100% God and...

Has nothing to do with feelings. "Need" does not equate to "love".

I simply asked if you could point to a place in the Bible where it says God "needs" you or anything else.

I'm not trying to...

I asked where the Bible says that God needs you, and of course really meaning man in general. A series of rhetorical questions does not answer that.

Truth is, the Bible never says God "needs"...

Where in the Bible do you find that God needs you? Just asking.

Yes and yes. It's why your nonsense won't work here.

Not being stupid, you are simply being nutty. Find a passage that clearly says man can move to God without God first moving to man and we can move on. In other words, the opposite of the one that...

This has been explained to you in 281. Be intentionally obtuse if you want to. I'm done. Find a passage that clearly says man can move to God without God first moving to man and we can move on.

Charlene, I'm certain you can find many passages similar to the ones you posted. I'm speaking, of course, of passages which do not support your belief, as your complete inability to find even one...

I congratulate you. You have now posted, for the third time, several passages which do NOT say that we can come to God without Him calling us. They certainly encourage us to come to God, but do not...

You claimed I said, "Inspired scriptures aren't good enough...." Neither those words nor that idea are anywhere to be found in the post you copied. The idea of inspiration is not even discussed. The...

Not in any words. Total lie. You could have simply said you were mistaken, but now you can't even use that.

Post just one. None of them said the underlined part.

Total lie. I never said that.

Anger. Always happens when you find the Bible does not support your views.

Why do you always get mad when the Bible does not agree with you?


Who said they did?

Reading comp is not the problem. You asked if I was questioning the inspiration of your quoted scriptures, or if I considered them not to be the words of Christ. I simply stated they were inspired...

They certainly do not support your argument.

They are inspired.


They were not the words of Christ. They are the word of God, however.

Your passages are not, in my view, cherry-picked. They...

I did. They don't. Besides, you claimed I was twisting the words of Christ because, I suppose, He does not agree with your opinion. Well, if you still hold to that position, then there is no...

They don't.

Clear, plain text. They are simply there for you to accept or reject.

John 6:44. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

John...

Your verses are explicit about what they are speaking of. They do not, however, say that man can come to God without God first calling Him.

But you can reject the words of Jesus if you want. Your...

None of those say that we can come to God without Him first calling us. However, these passages ALL say that no one can come to God unless God first reaches out to that person. The first three come...

You said, "I am God's love." I replied, "Are you saying that when the Bible refers to God's love, it is specifically referring to Waltero?" That would seem to be the logical conclusion of you saying,...

Not following you on that one. Are you saying that when the Bible refers to God's love, it is specifically referring to Waltero?

Glad to see you back!

I think this was your best paragraph....

Must be meant to be taken humorously?

This is coming from the person who refused to state his view on the resurrection, has refused to disclose his own religious beliefs, and will not state what kind of evidence he would accept...

This certainly settles the issue of whether or not, "Fiction is fiction."

"All Quiet is not fiction; it's historical fiction." So one is not the other.

Sound like a reasonable stopping point.

Sub "level" there if you like. Meaning stays the same.

Yep. That's all it takes. Kind of amazing. It's like asking if there are degrees of beauty, hate, love, wisdom, stupidity, immorality, and a thousand other subjects which are clearly capable of being...

Ask anyone who wants to think a little.

To anyone who actually thinks about it, it's very clear. To those who only want to argue, it's not. But you are welcome to your ideas. That's fine.

It's pretty clear.