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And what happens when its not misplaced, what you call it then anarchy?





Church isn't about 'control' - this is a general accusation that really needs some support, don't you think?
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Yes, the substance forming faith is charity, however the grace that forms charities received in sacraments are a reality and are far from symbolic or metaphoric bridges. And I would not suggest that...

That is precisely what ceremony is, the simplest of worship, we see this in the whole of Scripture, both in the Old and New Testament. The perfection of communal prayer. It is the worship of God as...

Then you apply symbol where others might apply substance?

JoeT

I looked through the tread and thought I might give a better response, we'll see. In my estimation there is no conflict between religion and science. What conflict there is comes from ignorance, a...

The difference is the same between a desire and a command; Christ said "do this". We can claim to be His 'friend', we can claim Him as Lord, yet when He commands we say "I know better because I have...

Isn't that a Beatles song, "All you need is love"? Of what use is Church if, as the gospel song goes, "all you need is love"? What about the sacraments?

But, the real Gospel says we gain, "the...

Then is it proposed that 'Church' is "Sunday go to meeting"? I would suggest 'Church' is much more than that. I would suggest that 'Church' is the source of your salvation through the sacraments.
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I'm a bit confused by your statement. What you're suggesting is that God's truth is not absolute. Rather it seems to be suggested that God's truth is subject to the will of men.

We know that...

Given any one thing (or substance), how many different truths do you suspect there are? Likewise, given any one doctrine, how many divine True doctrines are there?

As a result of your answer, can...

It is my opinion the Church is a Divine institution that is commissioned to teach God's Divine Truth. As Truth is absolute immutable, and irreformable there can only be one “true” confessed faith,...

I wouldn't put a Church between myself and God. However, the Church is the means and opportunity to incorporate ourselves into the Body of Christ and His Spirit. She offers themeans for salvation...

If we want to be punctilious lets get it right. Blessed Pope John XXIII and Blessed Pope John Paul II are to be canonized as Saints on April 27, 2014. Of the two I only mentioned John Paul II. ...

It certainly is hoped to conclude with only ONE Church.

Whether Scripture 'Roman Catholic' is not the topic. However, I would agree that it is a special part of her Sacred Tradition. Scripture...

I've been accused of being confusing at times - probably with some justification.

Shouldn't there only be 'One Body of Christ' as St. Paul described Church? He speaks of the Church as One Body...

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Am I to understand that each, talaniman, Wondergirl and other similar 'gatherings' are individual Bodies of Christ? (Cf. 1 Corinthians 12:27). How many different 'One Body of Christ(s)'...

This doesn't define any 'Church' I know of, it seems more like a social club. Not that I have anything against the Optimist Club, but this sounds more like their creed, touching lives optimistically...

This verse has two equally valid parts. To gather the full truth accepting one part means we must also accept the other. Accept that the two or three gathered in name and authority of Christ then...

I know what "Church" is not. Church is not the unique differences between the various Christian religions deemed inconsequential; “based on incorrect theological perspectives and is characterized by...

Proof of what, an objective truth? Let's look at sola scriptura. The primarily reason that sola scriptura is a false doctrine is its absence from scripture. We know that the Holy Spirit guides and...

Your requirements for Apostolic succession are misconstrued. The scene in these verses is the continuance of the Apostolic Tradition established by Christ in building His Church. What's being...

The passage signifies the Church and the knowledge of Christ it shines into the world.

"Christ Himself has lighted this lamp, when He filled the earthen vessel of human nature with the fire of...

There is a good example of succession in Acts 1:21-26 where Joseph and Justus were appointed.

The office of Bishop is discussed in four locations, 1 Timothy 3:1; 1 Timothy 3:2;Titus 1:7; and 1...

Maybe you don't recall, in the Scriptures they are called Bishops.


The Sacraments are ordained by Christ as a visual sign of graces received. Each is Scriptural. If you are a Sola...

The word given by Christ, first generation
The Christ's word taught by the Apostles, second generation
The word taught by the Apostle's successors, third generation.

Three generations. And the...

That's it? Do you think Divine Justice rewards by throwing you off like a used snot rag? Nor does it make much sense. Only four gospels were written and only two of them by the original TWELVE. ...

That's unfortunate. Those who hear His Apostles and their successors truly hear Christ.

He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me,...

‘Once saved always saved is a type of self certified-salvation-obtained-in-the-here-and-now.’ This is a delusional and presumptuous state of euphoric self-justification that simply doesn’t exist. ...

The unforgivable sin:


I do indeed think that demons and devils are the unforgivable race, but then again I don't know a lot about the attributes of demons and devils except that they are...

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Actually there are three responses to the question of 'what is the act against the Holy Spirit not forgiven'. Each nearly equal and all of them are within the pale of orthodoxy. I think...

I'm one of the 'they' so I can respond quite emphatically that the rule of faith used by Catholics is the sole and infallible rule of faith. It includes Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture...

Theos, Logos, Sophia

Trinity is the word used to define three Persons having one essesnece or nature yet so perfectly joined they are said to be consubstantial ('of the same substance' in Greek it...

I'll quote myself.

Grumpy Joe will patiently wait. I don't see that he has any choice!

JoeT

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that the first cause of every sin is first a voluntary act of the will which is moved by the soul. Sin subjects the soul to the flesh in turn controlling the flesh whereby...

The OP doesn't cover the topic of the sacredness of Tradition. Truth, that Truth which is convertible with God and is immutable, doesn't change with time, person, location, or church affiliation. ...

I didn't suggest it was rocket science, however I did give you an alternative which in harmony with Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

I don't think we are talking about 'any Jewish' woman or...

Agreed, the "likeness of sinful flesh" was the description of Christ, Divinity who appeared as man, something the Father would have found demeaning for His son. [Cf. Romans 8:3] ST. John Chrysostom...

I thought I made my point clear in post #48. It's the relationship between sin and the flesh, ". . . flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to...

'Sinful flesh' is the privation we have as heirs of Adam, unable to reason in the lower passions for the love of God, a lust or concupiscence. And we know that sin causes death which we've shown in...

What do you suppose kept the animosity of sinful corrupted flesh received from Mary and the purity of Spirit? Such a man would become insane from the torture received from his own body. Then what do...

And which Adam do you suppose St. Paul was discussing that was life-giving?

JoeT

I don't believe I mentioned John's baptism.


Yes.


Adam, was created without original sin, the removal of which is a part of the efficacy of Baptism. Baptism is not simply ritual. We are...

You must have Catholicism confused with some other faith, Catholics do not worship Mary as one worships God. And you are very correct to point out that there is no Sacred Tradition or Sacred...

I agree with your understanding of men being of the Old Adam and 'reborn' as the New Adam in Baptism. Luther is recalling parts of his Catholic teaching regarding the identity of Christ. Christ is,...

It has to do with identifying the Real Christ by looking at His mother's new species of humanity who bore a new species of Adam.


Roman 5 teaches that sin entered the world which by extension...

I don't recall asking about angels dancing on the head of a pin. I have an opinion about Catholicism but my question concerned 'other' faiths (I don't think I mentioned 'Protestantism' directly....

This is the only thread I started with the 'Mother of God' that I started. Are you sensitive to the topic?

JoeT

One, the Catholic Church.

JoeT

Actually, the woman contributes flesh, only. The blood is made by the organisms of the fetus and never mingles with the mother's blood. The mother can have one blood type and the child another. The...