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creategg04 · Sep 13, 2008, 04:00 PM

What impact did the death of Jesus have on his respective religion

What impact did the death of Muhammad have on his respective religion

Wondergirl · Sep 13, 2008, 04:07 PM

Jesus was a Jew, so He totally upset the apple cart in that religion. In the end, He was considered an imposter, and not the hoped-for Messiah.

Credendovidis · Sep 14, 2008, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by creategg04

what impact did the death of Jesus have on his respective religion

what impact did the death of Muhammad have on his respective religion

On first view an interesting question.
But there is a huge difference in the positions of these two religions and persons :

Jesus was claimed to be part of the Christian God (the Trinity claim)
Muhammad was no part of Allah : he was only his prophet.

So the impacts of their dying have different impacts on these religions, with have little to do with the essence of these religions.

:)

Galveston1 · Sep 15, 2008, 12:09 PM

Of greater impact is the resurrection of Jesus.

Smoked · Sep 15, 2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

So the impacts of their dying have different impacts on these religions, with have little to do with the essence of these religions.
:)

wow now.. little to do with the essence of the religion? Jesus dying on the cross is the symbol of god lifting the curse that was the law. Jesus died for our sins to release us from that curse. Little to do? False. This should be the cornerstone of someone's christian belief.

If a christian doesn't believe that Christ was sent to die on the cross as the sacrifice to release the world from the law (ie: sin because we wouldn't know sin with out the law), then that said person would not be christian.

Credendovidis · Sep 15, 2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Smoked

little to do with the essence of the religion?

Essentially yes it has little to do with the essence of the religion.
Both persons are very important for their own religion.
But there is no match nor test here who is more important. To do that is childish.
Specially as both sides are biased for their own person...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wondergirl · Sep 15, 2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Essentially yes it has little to do with the essence of the religion.
Both persons are very important for their own religion.
But there is no match nor test here who is more important. To do that is childish.
Specially as both sides are biased for their own person ...

I missed the Jesus-Mohammed competition. Where is it?

(You're going to get really sick if you keep rolling your eyes. In fact, my mother would tell you they might even get stuck if you keep doing it.)

Credendovidis · Sep 15, 2008, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I missed the Jesus-Mohammed competition. Where is it?

That was more or less brought into the discussion by Smoked in his (her?) post #5.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (6 - the max!! )

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Wondergirl · Sep 15, 2008, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

That was more or less brought into the discussion by Smoked in his (her?) post #5.

Hmmmm, I seem to be missing the competition possibilities in smoked's post.

***ADDITION: I believe you are misreading what smoked said and means.

(OMG!! I got to call my mom to find out if six eye-rolls is even life-threatening!! )

Credendovidis · Sep 15, 2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Hmmmm, I seem to be missing the competition possibilities in smoked's post.

Maybe you are missing a lot more...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

.

Wondergirl · Sep 15, 2008, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Maybe you are missing a lot more ....

Don't think so. Maybe you like to look for trouble where none is? :D :D :D :D

ZackW · Sep 15, 2008, 05:01 PM

Christianity did not exist until Jesus was seen resurrected by his followers. By just his death alone, his followers pretty much ran away as if defeated. The Jews didn't believe he was the messiah, they killed him for blasphemy after all, for making himself equal with God.

So the death ALONE is not the impacting part of it, but the resurrection. Sure, they go hand in hand, but your question is specifically on his death. Paul said in 1 Corinthians "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied."
Without the resurrection, there would be no Christianity.

As far as Muhammad, I don't know, there were no specific prophesies or promises about his life or death. He wasn't expected to live forever, nor to resurrect. So I doubt it had much impact beyond what is normal surrounding a death of an important figure. Similar to the death of Moses or Abraham perhaps, but not impacting as far as changing the religion itself.

Wondergirl · Sep 15, 2008, 05:04 PM

Back to the question on the table --

The deaths of Jesus and Muhammed had totally different impacts on what became religions based on their activities, but both sets of followers pulled together a compliation of what they deemed were the words of God. For Christians, that was the Bible; for Mulims, it was the Q'ran.

Credendovidis · Sep 15, 2008, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ZackW

....As far as Muhammad, I don't know, there were no specific prophesies or promises about his life or death. He wasn't expected to live forever, nor to resurrect. So I doubt it had much impact beyond what is normal surrounding a death of an important figure. Similar to the death of Moses or Abraham perhaps, but not impacting as far as changing the religion itself.

As I stated before :

Essentially yes it has little to do with the essence of the religion.
Both persons are very important for their own religion.
But there is no match nor test here who is more important. To do that is childish.
Specially as both sides are biased for their own person ...

So are we now going to count the points?

Jesus X points, Muhammad Y points ?

I KNEW IT WOULD END UP LIKE THIS .....

How childish, how pathetic!!

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Wondergirl · Sep 15, 2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

As I stated before :

Essentially yes it has little to do with the essence of the religion.
Both persons are very important for their own religion.
But there is no match nor test here who is more important. To do that is childish.
Specially as both sides are biased for their own person ...

So are we now going to count the points?

Jesus X points, Muhammad Y points ?

I KNEW IT WOULD END UP LIKE THIS .....

How childish, how pathetic !!!

.

He answered the question. You're the only one keeping score. (I thought you were going to sleep.)

firmbeliever · Sep 16, 2008, 01:08 AM

Death of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)-

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Death of Prophet Muhammad (632 AD)
The news of the Prophet's death was so hard upon close companions and Muslims that some of them refused to believe that he had passed away. (At the close of his death, he looked youthful as if in his forties and his face always shown a great radiance). Upon hearing this, Abu Bakr (ra) who was later to become the first caliph went to the mosque and delivered one of the noblest speeches:

“O People! If Muhammad is the sole object of your adoration, then know that he is dead. But if it is Allah (The One God) you Worshiped, then know that He does not die.”

He then recited the following verse from the Qur'an, 3:144, which was revealed after the Battle of Uhud:

“Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will you then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.”
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You might also like to read the following article.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm

Smoked · Sep 16, 2008, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

That was more or less brought into the discussion by Smoked in his (her?) post #5.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (5+ 1 for ME (smoked) !!!)

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You sir see implication where there is none. BTW I am a he :D

amorina9 · Aug 24, 2009, 08:29 PM

Well actually muslim do not believe that jesus is dead, they believe thad god took him up to heaven and he will return one day and spread peace on earth after a huge war.

Mohamad died to prove that he is not god, he is just a prophet that god sent to earth, and to make people believe in all prophets before him.

paraclete · Aug 24, 2009, 08:34 PM

Have you read the book of the same name written by a muslim. He somehow reached the conclusion Jesus is God. Pity his fellows didn't reach the same conclusion, we could have avoided all the conflict

galveston · Sep 8, 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by amorina9

well actually muslim do not believe that jesus is dead, they believe thad god took him up to heaven and he will return one day and spread peace on earth after a huge war.

mohamad died to prove that he is not god, he is just a prophet that god sent to earth, and to make people believe in all prophets before him.

Are you a Muslim?

I read your post with interest. If you are a Muslim, and your post accurately reflects what you believe, then I have no argument on this point.