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    #21

    Feb 21, 2008, 01:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by mirandycc
    [ The idea that it leads to the use of dangerous drugs is preposterous.
    The part where I said more focus on heavier drugs was meant to be, the law enforcement looking for the heavier drugs instead of marijuana[/QUOTE]

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    The thing I find amusing but pitiful is that there was more money spent by anti-smoking advocates last year than there was on anti-drug campains…shows how stupid some people are.

    The idea that it follows that with the legalization of Pot parents will smoke in the presence of their children is an example of your lack of logic.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:24 PM
    I don't think it is a gateway drug. I've smoked pot but I never tried herion, coke, meth, LSD, XTC, or any other drug. And I grew up around all those drugs but Never wanted to try them. I like pot it's a lot better then drinking. I might cough from smoke but I never threw up, passed out, woke up wondering how did I get here and who is this girl next to me like I did a few times with alcohol.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:28 PM
    And what about what I asked originally... if pot is legalized... where do u draw the line... should parents be able to smoke around their children?inpublic? All day non stop? At work? I am kind of curious as to what everyone feels on this... please reply, and let me know how u feel personally.:) :o :p
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:35 PM
    Why do people have to smoke it at all? There are other ways to take this drug. I would maintain the anti smoking campaigns and public smoking bans and extend that to cannibis smoking if it were legalised.

    Mirandycc everyone is expected to be sober at work already (with the exception of rock stars perhaps) why would legalising a new drug result in people taking it at work? When was the last time you saw somebody drinking at work? People do smoke and drink coffee in office hours but they are not particularly psycotropic which is probably why they are tolerated.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:37 PM
    Mirandycc everyone is expected to be sober at work already (with the exception of rock stars perhaps) why would legalising a new drug result in people taking it at work? When was the last time you saw somebody drinking at work? People do smoke and drink coffee in office hours but they are not particularly psycotropic which is probably why they are tolerated.[/QUOTE]


    Some people feel as if marijuana does not impair their ability to function on a regular basis, just like everyone else does... :confused: :confused: :confused:
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by mirandycc
    and what about what i asked originally... if pot is legalized... where do u draw the line... should parents be able to smoke around their children?inpublic? all day non stop? at work? I am kind of curious as to what everyone feels on this...please reply, and let me know how u feel personally.:) :o :p
    It should be just like alcohol you can't drink in public you can't drink at work (well maybe if you are a bartender you drink at work) you should not be able to smoke and drive either. As far as doing it all day that's a personal choice. I wouldn't drink or smoke all day long. As far as kids being around again personal choice. Parents drink in front of their kids is that right or wrong. I mean I have been to family functions where everyone is drinking and there are kids there is that wrong? Personal choice some will say no nothing wrong with it others will see a big problem with it.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by mirandycc
    and what about what i asked originally... if pot is legalized... where do u draw the line... should parents be able to smoke around their children?inpublic? all day non stop? at work? I am kind of curious as to what everyone feels on this...please reply, and let me know how u feel personally.:) :o :p
    I’m afraid your concept of pot smoking is based on cigarette use by chain smokers… one after another all their awake hours. (For constant users) If the quality of the pot is high a couple of drags in the morning, a couple at noon and a couple in the evening are all they use.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    I’m afraid your concept of pot smoking is based on cigarette use by chain smokers… one after another all their awake hours. (For constant users) If the quality of the pot is high a couple of drags in the morning, a couple at noon and a couple in the evening are all they use.

    My husband is a pot smoker, and he smokes all day every day.
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:43 PM
    Alcohol doesn't impair my ability to function on a regular basis (with the exception of a few hangover now and again.) This still doesn't mean I will drink at work even though it is legal. I would be very surprised if people decided to consume cannibis during office hours and more so if it were tolerated just because it was made legal.
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    #30

    Feb 21, 2008, 01:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom
    it should be just like alcohol you can't drink in public you can't drink at work (well maybe if you are a bartender you drink at work) you should not be able to smoke and drive either. As far as doing it all day that's a personal choice. I wouldn't drink or smoke all day long. As far as kids being around again personal choice. Parents drink in front of their kids is that right or wrong. I mean I have been to family functions where everyone is drinking and there are kids there is that wrong? personal choice some will say no nothing wrong with it others will see a big problem with it.

    I do not feel drinking around children is as bad as smoking pot around children because the alcohol being drank does not affect the child, however, pot around the child could get the child high... I also feel if there is a responsible adult not under any influence around to take care of the child while the parent is drunk, high... then it isn't a problem
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    #31

    Feb 21, 2008, 01:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by mirandycc
    my husband is a pot smoker, and he smokes all day every day.
    Hello mirandy:

    Does he work? Does he pay the bills? Take care of the children? If yes, what's the problem? If no, why don't you leave him?

    excon
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:46 PM
    Ahh you have raised a different issue, if someone takes a drug constantly there will be problems. You can get severe problems even with caffiene overdoses.

    Here is a personal question- you don't have to answer if you don't want to-
    Do you feel your husband would suffer if cannabis were legalised or would there be no change?
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:48 PM
    I do not think it would change anything... but it might because it would be more readily available... I do not know though...

    No he doesn't pay the bills because he buys pot... sometimes he helps with our son, when he isn't high
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    Feb 21, 2008, 01:52 PM
    Geez!! I don't have any kids and I smoke everyday (potent stuff too) but I pay all the bills and split the rent with my GF. He must be buying it by the pound not to have money to help out!! I would say in your case it would hurt him if it was legal.
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    #35

    Feb 21, 2008, 02:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by mirandycc
    I do not think it would change anything...but it might because it would be more readily available...I do not know though...

    No he doesnt pay the bills because he buys pot...sometimes he helps with our son, when he isnt high
    Sorry mirandycc your husband has a problem and it’s bigger than his pot smoking. You might want to visit the relationship board.

    Best of luck to you
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    #36

    Feb 21, 2008, 03:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon
    Hello:

    The ACLU of Washington has producted a 30 minute infomercial on pot legalization. Rick Steves, the travel guru who has a show on PBS is the host. It's only available here so far, but I'll bet it shows up on youtube in short order.

    Marijuana | It’s time for a conversation » Home

    Is this a good thing?

    excon
    Dang it, excon, you come on here with something like this; don't you know George Bush and his secret police read all this stuff? And they are just looking for some flimsy excuse to examine your bank and medical records. And you go and give it to 'em. Dang!
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    Feb 22, 2008, 03:26 AM
    and what about what I asked originally... if pot is legalized... where do you draw the line... should parents be able to smoke around their children?inpublic? All day non stop? At work? I am kind of curious as to what everyone feels on this... please reply, and let me know how you feel personally.:) :o :p

    Comments on this posttomder55 agrees: you are making a lot of sense. As DK said ;the fact that it is illegal has been a deterent to many people. It is a gateway drug and making it illegal will increase the occurrences where the user acts irresponsibly
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    Should read making it LEGAL will increase occurrences where the users act irresponsibly.
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    Feb 22, 2008, 11:33 AM
    Tom…I have found that there are only rare cases in which a particular accurately validates a generality. I too have had first hand knowledge of people who smoked pot and then went on to exchange it for synthetic drugs, but I just don't believe it necessarily follows. Most pot users I have met over the course of 45 years simply don't mix in the same circles as hard drug users, especially if it is any form of speed. Have you ever been around someone on speed, they can't shut their mouth and they don't engage in normal conversation?

    Does pot have harmful effects, yes- does pot have useful effects yes- but adult individuals should be afforded the liberty to balance the two.

    It's just another case of the government infringing on the rights of its citizenry because it believes it knows better what is right for the people than they do.
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    #39

    Feb 23, 2008, 03:34 AM
    DC why not allow all drugs legal and generally available ? Even a recreational drug like Viagra is restricted .
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    Feb 23, 2008, 05:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Even a recreational drug like Viagra is restricted .
    It is assumed, and has been made law, that the consumer is too stupid to learn or know how much of anything to take, which protects doctors, pharmacists, and to some extent the consumer. I don't recall if anyone has written about the fiasco Prohibition years, but it is difficult to stamp out undesirable behavior when folks indulge in that behavior for recreational purposes.

    I think we should abolish anger and closed-mindedness.

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