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    Sep 11, 2018, 08:58 AM
    Mystery toilet
    I have aplumbing mystery. How can a toilet withno water pressure in the pipe coming out of the wall during the day end up thenext morning with the toilet tank full? Let me explain. The situation is that during the day, withthe toilet shut off valve at the wall removed, there is no water coming out of thesupply pipe. However, when everything is reassembled, e.g., the shut off valveput back on the supply pipe and reconnected to the toilet valve assembly in thetoilet, the next morning the toilet tank is full. The problem affects onetoilet only and nothing else in the house. The problem started two weeks agoafter the main was shut down due to an irrigation leak. Does anyone have a plausible explanation?
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    Sep 11, 2018, 11:04 AM
    Hi Jkoontz1

    Not sure I see a mystery here...

    When you shut off the water and remove the toilet shut off valve guts (?) there is no water coming out of the pipe, but when you reassemble the shutoff and water is turned back on the toilet tank fills, right? That sounds about right to me?

    What am I missing?

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    Sep 11, 2018, 12:03 PM
    Yes, it refills but not during the day In other words, in the morning I can flush the toilet (because the tank is full) but after flushing it does not refill for the entire day as there is no water pressure from the wall pipe. But next morning the tank is full again. This repeats every day No pressure during the day but the toilet refills every night.
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    Sep 11, 2018, 02:43 PM
    Shut water off to the pipe... remove guts from the shut off valve and then put a towel over the end of the shutoff and have a friend "pulse" the water supply on to FLUSH the water line. If water comes gushimng out of the shut off when the water is pulsed on then reinstall the guts to the shut off and replace the toilet fill valve as that will be the problem here.

    Let me know what happens.
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    Sep 11, 2018, 03:27 PM
    Thanks, unfortunately I have removed the shut off valve completely. It is clear of any debris. The only thing that is coming out of the wall is the pipe itself, and there is no water coming from the source pipe when the main is on and the rest of the house is working normally. However, strange as it sounds, if I reinstall the shut off valve to the pipe and reconnect it to the toilet, some time during the night it refills the toilet tank. So far it is a mystery I am a able to resolve.
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    Sep 11, 2018, 06:10 PM
    Hi again.

    When you removed the guts from the shut off valve did you turn the water on to clear the pipe as I suggested? Even if the shutoff valve looks cleared when guts are removed, you need to confirm water flow as I suggested in my last post. Please do as advised or post back confirming that you pulsed the water on while the guts were out. Did you get water flow when water pulsed on and shut off covered with towel?

    If you have indeed done as suggested then there is only one explanation here. There must be a clogged shutoff valve or an obstruction in the water feed between the main water supply and the toilet, right?

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    Sep 11, 2018, 06:29 PM
    Yes, I did exactly what you suggested. But to no avail. I agree that the logical solution would be an clogged shutoff valve or an obstruction in the line between the main and this particular toilet. However, I have cleaned and subsequently replaced the shutoff valve, and if there is a bstruction in the line, why does the toilet fill completely in the middle of the night.
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    Sep 11, 2018, 06:33 PM
    Obstruction is exactly that... an obstruction (blockage). Water flow may be cut off but not completely disconnected, right?

    If this is as difficult as it sounds you may want to run a new PEX (thermoplastic) water line from a known, working water line to the shutoff valve feeding the toilet and just be done with this. If you use SHARKBITE (or gatorbite) push on fittings it shouldn't take very long to accomplish.
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    Sep 11, 2018, 09:24 PM
    Yes, I do believe you are right. I want to thank you for taking the time to help me figure this out!

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