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wecher · Mar 30, 2006, 10:02 PM

Hello

First, let me say this a great forum. I just found it and registered.

I want to put in a Kohler Cimmaron pedestal sink in my bathroom. The only difficulty is that the existing drain goes through the concrete floor rather than curving into the wall. And, it is about three inches off center in the space where the sink needs to go, making installation of the pedestal impossible as is.

The drain pipe needs to somehow be routed through the wall. Or, is there some way that I could route it through the wall, then come back through the floor by digging a channel through the concrete subfloor (old crusty concrete, easy to remove) and curving the drain into the existing plumbing in this manner?

I'm in a condo. Right below me is a big empty storage area no one uses, and the plumbing to my unit is easily accessible. Just need a ladder.

You might guess that this is my first plumbing/tiling/etc attempt.

Carpe Plumbem

Wecher

speedball1 · Mar 31, 2006, 07:04 AM

I need a few more details. Does the drain from the lavatory go directly down through the floor or does it go through a "S" trap to get there? How old is the condo building? Is it located in the United States? Where? Do your other fixtures have traps or do they all drain straight through the floor? Do you have a condo board and did they give permission for you to make structural changes to your drainage system? I'll wait on your reply. Regards, Tom

fredg · Mar 31, 2006, 08:11 AM

Hey, speedball,
LOVE your avatar.

speedball1 · Mar 31, 2006, 11:16 AM

Hey Fred,
My avatar is a picture of my companion and my best friend. She's a model that still does photoshoots. We have been hooked up for 12 years now. She excises and works out a lot and just had her 56th birthday the 13th of this month. Pretty "lip smackin" for 56 don't you think? Regards, tom

wecher · Mar 31, 2006, 02:13 PM

Speedball

The condo is in Philadelphia. It was was originally a factory, built at the turn of the century. Renovated into condos 1983 or so.

All the plumbing does have S traps; sorry to be vague. What I mean is: rather than the S trap leading through the drywall it instead continues down and through the concrete subfloor. Because the spot where it goes through the floor is about 3" off center, I don't think I can install the pedestal sink.

I do have permission from the condo board to make changes to my unit. Once I drill a hole through the subfloor I'm probably into common-area territory, although an argument could be made that it is still my drainage.

The drainage pipe, by the way, has lateral movement--meaning I can move it back and forth easily within the confines of the existing floor through the hole. I have a suspicion if I bored all the way through the subfloor and into the empty space down below me (unused space) I might be able to just shim the drainage pipe over the 2 or 3 inches I need it to move. But that might put stress on the connection to the building drain pipe and cause something to fracture.

Let me know if I'm missing any info.

Thank a lot!

Wecher

speedball1 · Apr 1, 2006, 06:19 AM

"The condo is in Philadelphia. It was was originally a factory, built at the turn of the century. Renovated into condos 1983 or so.
All the plumbing does have S traps."

I'm surprised that that the renovation passed inspection when it was converted into condos. Section 703.5 of the Standard Plumbing Code states in subsection (b), under the title "Prohibited Traps" that, " full "S" traps are prohibited."
While local codes can override this. "S" traps are outlawed in all the US and Canada.
If you care to furnish me with the measurments of the distance between the finished wall to the center of the lavatories tail piece and the measure between the finished wall and the center of the pipe where it goes into the floor I'll poke around the internet and see if I can come come up with a pedestal lavatory that may fit your needs. Regards, Tom

wecher · Apr 2, 2006, 07:50 PM

Tom

Very interesting. What constitutes a 'full S trap'? The fact that it makes a complete 'S' and continues on into the floor rather than making a half turn into the wall? After reading your post I will note that my kitchen sink is different: it makes a half turn and goes into the wall, unlike the bathroom sink.

Here's the rough in guide to the sink I want, the Kohler Cimmaron pedestal: http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal.../1020683_1.pdf

As for the existing drain pipe, its center is 6.5" off the wall and it is 2.5" off center in the existing space (the available nook being 31" wide, the drain pipe going through the floor left of center 13" rather than 15.5").

And again, there's some lateral movement to this drainage pipe. I feel it might be noodged over somewhat toward center. Not 2.5" however.

Very Best

Wecher

speedball1 · Apr 3, 2006, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by wecher

Tom

Very interesting. What constitutes a 'full S trap'? The fact that it makes a complete 'S' and continues on into the floor rather than making a half turn into the wall? After reading your post I will note that my kitchen sink is different: it makes a half turn and goes into the wall, unlike the bathroom sink.

Here's the rough in guide to the sink I want, the Kohler Cimmaron pedestal: http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal.../1020683_1.pdf

As for the existing drain pipe, its center is 6.5" off the wall and it is 2.5" off center in the existing space (the available nook being 31" wide, the drain pipe going through the floor left of center 13" rather than 15.5").

And again, there's some lateral movement to this drainage pipe. I feel it might be noodged over somewhat toward center. Not 2.5" however.

Very Best

Wecher

You are correct. A "full "S" trap makes a complete "S" turn and is unvented while a "P" trap makes a half turn and is vented.
Looking at the numbers would it be possible to take two 45's and make up a "offset dogleg" to line up with the drainage. Would this leave anything exposed? Regards. Tom

PalmMP3 · Apr 5, 2006, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by speedball1

My avatar is a picture of my companion and my best friend. She's a model that still does photoshoots. We have been hooked up for 12 years now. She excises and works out a lot and just had her 56th birthday the 13th of this month. Pretty "lip smackin" for 56 don't ya think? Regards, tom

Aha! So that explains where you disappear to every night when you check out of here at 7:00 PM... ;)

So, when do we get to see a picture of YOU? ;)

speedball1 · Apr 7, 2006, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by PalmMP3

Aha! So that explains where you disappear to every night when you check outta here at 7:00 PM... ;)

So, when do we get to see a picture of YOU? ;)

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Hey Moshie,
I quit at 7 PM because that's when Law and Order comes on. After that we kick back and watch TV or play backgammon until the wee hours. If you're really interested in seeing what these "wrinkled ole chops" look like go to; Forum Community/Member Discussions/What People Really Look Like/ page 2 and scroll down to find a photo of me with one of my daughters.

Cheers, Tom