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    Nov 11, 2011, 12:04 PM
    Work needed to push a car
    What is the minuimum work needed to push a 950 kg car 180 m up along a 9.0 degree incline?
    a) Ignore friction.
    b) assume the effective cofficient of friction retarding the car is 0.25.
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    Nov 11, 2011, 12:23 PM
    A. Work equals force applied times distance of travel. You know the distance, so all you need to determine is the force needed to push the car up the 9 degree incline. That would be the car's weight times the sine of 9 degrees.

    B. Here the force needed is increased by friction, which is the coefficient of friction times the normal force of the car's weight against the incline.

    Give this a shot and post your answers - we'll check them for you.
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    Nov 11, 2011, 01:30 PM

    Part a ( ignoring friction)
    F- mgsin(9)=0
    so F= mg sin(9)
    so W= F* d* cos(18o)= 950*9.80*sin(9)*810*cos(180)= -1179684J
    Part b ( with friction)
    Fn= mg cos(9)
    Ffr= 0.25* mg cos(9)
    so F+Ffr-mg sin(9)=0
    F= mgsin(9)-(0.25*mg* cos(180)= -842.44J
    so W= -842.44* 810= -682376.4J

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    Nov 11, 2011, 01:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by pinkwya View Post
    Part a ( ignoring friction)
    F- mgsin(9)=0
    so F= mg sin(9)
    so W= F* d* cos(18o)= 950*9.80*sin(9)*810*cos(180)= -1179684J
    First - is the distance 810 (as you show here) or 180 (as you wrote in your first post)? Next, you shouldn't include the cos(180) term, because that gives a negative distance. That's why you got a negative number for W, but it should be positive. So use W = 950*9.8*sin(9)*810.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkwya View Post
    Part b ( with friction)
    Fn= mg cos(9)
    Ffr= 0.25* mg cos(9)
    so F+Ffr-mg sin(9)=0
    Should be F-Ffr-mgsin(9) = 0. Remember that the friction opposes the pushing, and so the force required to push the car is greater in part (b) than (a), not less.
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    Nov 11, 2011, 04:13 PM
    A)
    Firstly,the distance is 810 and not 180 as I wrote in the post.. it was a mistake!
    Then,the angle in the formula W = F*d*cos(theata)
    Is the angle between the force and the distance so it niether 180 nor 9 . It it is zero because F is the same direction of D..
    b)
    I totally agree.. and thank you for your note

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