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    Jan 5, 2008, 12:08 AM
    What is god?
    What is god? There is always this clash between science & god.Can God be a huge amount of energy?
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    Jan 5, 2008, 12:17 AM
    Many people describe things differently. Spirit I believe is made up of energy. We all are made up of energy. Could the spirit and energy be the same? It is all possible Cho.

    Is that how you think of God?
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    Jan 5, 2008, 12:58 AM
    Well spirit can't be destroyed.Likewise energy can also be not destroyed.
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    Jan 5, 2008, 01:32 AM
    It makes sense then that everything is made up of energy and energy can only be changed, right.
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    Jan 5, 2008, 02:50 AM
    There is a clash between science and many religions. The religious group feels that the definition of God that they go by is the only way God can be. There can not really be a clash between science and God because God is science. God is everything, energy is everything. Why all the fighting?
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    Jan 6, 2008, 07:06 AM
    I think science is too young to explain God.But eventually it will someday.
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    Jan 11, 2008, 07:41 PM
    A science called psychology has explained the idea of a personal god.
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    Jan 14, 2008, 10:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gallivant_fellow
    A science called psychology has explained the idea of a personal god.
    Can you elaborate?:)
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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:20 AM
    Cho, there is no God. God is made up like all of the pagan gods before this one. We know prayer does not work. The AMA decided to answer this question once and for all. They found prayer does not work! The study was huge 1800 people, 2.4 million over 3 years. As far as the figthing goes, religion interfers with medical research, euthanasia, birth control, etc you can understand why there is so much fighting going on.

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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:23 AM
    Of course there is god whether a huge amt of energy or not.How else do u explain the mystries of nature.
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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cho
    Ofcourse there is god whether a huge amt of energy or not.How else do u explain the mystries of nature.
    What mysteries of nature?
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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:31 AM
    How do u explain placebo effect?
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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:31 AM
    You mean as in medical trials?
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    Jan 21, 2008, 09:33 AM
    Prayer does work GOD does exist GOD is still in our schools even if he is not recognized by some people and that is very few people,there should be no fighting about GOD he still rules with most people IN GOD WE TRUST will stand for ever.
    I pray to god every day and you can't expect to pray for a million dollars and he gives it to you.You pray to GOD and then you work to earn it.
    MY OPINION AND I WILL STICK TO IT BECAUSE I WANT TO MEET MY GOD SOMEDAY.
    AND REUNITE WITH MY LOVED ONES.
    P.S.
    I DO NOT GO TO CHURCH ALL THE TIME BUT I STILL LOVE GOD AND HOPE TO SEE HIM.
    KENNITH
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    Jan 21, 2008, 04:43 PM
    Cho, you sound very young. Placebo effect is hardly a mystery, just the power of suggestion that is all. You can believe in any God you make up, it does not matter to me,
    Just trying to help you out. As far as prayer goes it does not work at all. Kennith's explanation of it is typical of close minded Christians. The study concluded that prayer does not work helping people with pain and healing, not a million dollars. It is worthless. Try praying to someone who has an amputated limb see the result. Failure will be the result. Christians have excuses when they fail, I offer research to back up what I say

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    Jan 22, 2008, 10:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by workerbee
    Cho, there is no God. God is made up like all of the pagan gods before this one. We know prayer does not work. the AMA decided to answer this question once and for all. They found prayer does not work! The study was huge 1800 people, 2.4 million over 3 years. As far as the figthing goes, religion interfers with medical research, euthanasia, birth control, etc you can understand why there is so much fighting going on.

    workerbee
    These are off Cho's original topic but--

    That seems harsh. Just because humanity may practice religion imperfectly (as we do so many things) it doesn't mean there isn't a God.

    I am not familiar with the AMA's study of prayer, but I am not sure prayer results are quantifiable. We do not always understand the difference between wants and needs, no matter how obvious a need may seem to us humans. J.R.R. Tolkien may have been a fiction writer but I truly believe ". . . even the very wisest cannot foresee all ends."
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    Jan 23, 2008, 07:55 AM
    It is the American heart journal April 2006 was published and how people practice religion is hardly the point. Cho's question is what is God? My answer is that God is made up like the thousands of pagan gods before. Jesus is a great example. He never preformed miracles of any kind. As I wrote in another thread there are several virgin births recorded and these people went on to raise the dead, turn water into wine, all before Jesus, but the were mortals just like Jesus. They are myths nothing more. We need to make up a God so we won't feel so small and insignificant. There is lots of evidence to support what I say

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    Jan 23, 2008, 02:19 PM
    Thank you for the details on the journal article. Here's a link if anyone else is interested in checking it out Elsevier. Once there do a search for 'prayer.'

    There are actually a couple of interesting articles there. I am not sure this is the answer "once and for all" though. An MD from Boston responded to the article with a letter to the editor that stated, "In conclusion, although this study overcomes some of the statistical hurdles that encumbered prior studies on prayer and medicine, the failure of the authors to rigorously control their independent variables invalidates their comparison of this with prior studies and so does little to advance our understanding of the medical application of intercessory prayer." (Eric J. Burks, Am Heart J 2006; 152:e41-e42)


    In my experience there is no way to talk people into believing in God or to talk them out of it (maybe belief is just one of those mysteries of the universe). Particularly since you can't lump everyone into the same pattern, i.e. all Christians do not believe the same things nor do all atheists. We all believe our own version. For example,

    Quote Originally Posted by workerbee
    We need to make up a God so we won't feel so small and insignificant.

    workerbee
    I think we need to believe there is no God so that we won't feel so small and insignificant.
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    #19

    Jan 23, 2008, 02:25 PM
    Why is this question in Science > Astronomy?
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    Jan 23, 2008, 02:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Why is this question in Science > Astronomy?
    I think the OP wishes to identify god as some kind of celestial body/energy/something.

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