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    Aug 6, 2006, 03:30 PM
    The New "Gay People"
    Maybe this was already discussed, but I wasn't about to go through those pages to find out. Why do so many people think that being gay is a choice? The way I see it... I like dogs. I will always like dogs. I can't, even for one day, CHOOSE to like cats better, because I know that I like dogs. Besides that analogy, there is some evidence that gay men are born gay. The straight male pituitary gland tends to be significantly larger than the gay male pituitary gland. There is no correlation with gay/straight females, though. And what about the people who don't WANT to be gay. My father is a perfect example. He is a very miserable man. He is married to a woman that he is not in love with after divorcing my mother due to being gay (he's also a Christian, which I find ironic).

    I'm going to side step here and ask about religion. How do you know? I'm agnostic and I just have a hard time believing something for the SOLE reason that a man (or woman) with a book told me so. I'm not trying to just take a jab... I really want to know where the faith comes from. I know it sounds random, but a lot of people in the first "Gay People" post were making biblical referances and I was wondering, how do you KNOW that God forbids it? If it were proven that homosexuality was NOT a choice, would that suddenly make it unsinful? Would God suddenly NOT damn a gay man/woman? How do you explain the physical evidence behind gays that would suggest that God had something to do with homosexuality?
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    Aug 6, 2006, 04:38 PM
    Welcome to AMHD and with all due respects, maybe a lot of what you are asking has already been pretty thoroughly hashed out on that thread you aren't too keen on reading all the way through? So I wouldn't be too surprised if there was viewing without a lot of posting here. Just a thought? And again, welcome to... well, here!
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    Aug 6, 2006, 04:48 PM
    I agree with Val. You should look at the original thread. There are pages and pages of arguments on the religious aspects, gay marriage / civil ceremonies, having children, and choice vs. genetics.

    For what it's worth though, I agree with you. Being gay is not a choice. I believe it's genetic, and definitely not a sin. Gay marriage was recently legalized here in Canada, and I'm proud of our country for being so forward-thinking.
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    Aug 6, 2006, 05:49 PM
    That has been a discussion brought up many times, and hashed out many times. You may see a bunch of people viewing this thread but it is up to them whether they want to respond to it or not. Instead of expecting an answer, why not go back to other threads and you will find out where everybody stands on this issue and maybe you can continue the discussion on another thread.

    Joe
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    Sep 2, 2006, 02:08 PM
    I agree with you; since I'm new on this site, how do I get to the original thread?
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    Sep 2, 2006, 02:24 PM
    Okay you click on the button the says subjects. Go all the way down. You will see Forum. Click on members discussions. Then it will bring you to a whole bunch of discussions that has happened and you can read through all of them there.

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    Sep 14, 2006, 08:59 PM
    In some cases it might be genetic while in other cases it might be a consequence of socialization. The ancient Greeks are a good example,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ancient_Greece
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    Sep 15, 2006, 06:09 AM
    As far as I remember biology and science even stated itself that it has nothing to do with genetic. If that is my memory is correct. The x and y chromosomes plays a lot of important factors during cleavage/human reproduction. Here's some helpful links http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.ph...=kshow&kid=672 for those of you that doesn't know about sexuality.
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    Sep 15, 2006, 06:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticque
    As far as I remember biology and science even stated itself that it has nothign to do with genetic. If that is my memory is correct. the x and y chromosomes plays a lot of important factors during cleavage/human reproduction. here's some helpful links http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.ph...=kshow&kid=672 for those of you that doesn't know about sexuality.
    Ye, I heard that too.
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    Sep 15, 2006, 11:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticque
    As far as I remember biology and science even stated itself that it has nothign to do with genetic. If that is my memory is correct. the x and y chromosomes plays a lot of important factors during cleavage/human reproduction. here's some helpful links http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.ph...=kshow&kid=672 for those of you that doesn't know about sexuality.
    Biology and science have taken new looks at old questions and are at the moment undecided. However, it seems likely that there is some physiological basis for it and the idea that it is bloody minded rebellion and nothing more might haver to be abandoned. Best wait until more is known.



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    Sep 15, 2006, 11:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by orange
    I agree with Val. You should look at the original thread. There are pages and pages of arguments on the religious aspects, gay marriage / civil ceremonies, having children, and choice vs. genetics.

    For what it's worth though, I agree with you. Being gay is not a choice. I believe it's genetic, and definitely not a sin. Gay marriage was recently legalized here in Canada, and I'm proud of our country for being so forward-thinking.

    That does not preclude further discussion. If it did, there would be few subjects (if any) open to discussion.


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    Oct 22, 2006, 01:31 AM
    I would also like to add that I myself am gay and I grew up in a very christian (southern baptist) family. I dealt with being gay very harshly and almost committed suicide several times.

    First of all, I don't believe that any god, which I do believe in a higher power, would allow anyone to be "harmed" if we are all his creations. Also, he would be the one that invented "gay" and allows it to continue, otherwise it wouldn't even exist at the snap of a finger or "wave of a wand" if you will.

    Secondly, I don't know if there will ever be an answer to the "choice" question. I could sleep with women, have a relationship, marry... have children. But why would I want to be that unhappy? Would God want me to be unhappy? I believe we're put here to learn and explore and to be happy.

    Third, anyone that is gay you should be nice to if they are being nice to you, because everyday is a struggle for them and there are lots of gay kids out there that fight with their parents, family, and religion over these issues. Would you want someone to be so unhappy they kill themselves because you've pushed the fear into them that "God will getcha!"

    Fourth, and finally - sorry for the long post - I have honestly became more and more aware that I don't believe in "the devil". I was always told Good had to exist and Evil had to exist. Well, supposedly the devil was once an angel himself, so he couldn't have been so bad, however, he did supposedly do a horrible deed and was banned from heaven for eternity. In the end, he was still a "good angel" at some point, not the horned, red, fire breathing evil-wrath bringing "angel".
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    Oct 22, 2006, 06:06 AM
    The movie C.R.A.Z.Y. (filmed in Quebec) is a powerful exploration of growing up confused about one's sexual identity in a religious family.
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    Oct 23, 2006, 07:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    The movie C.R.A.Z.Y. (filmed in Quebec) is a powerful exploration of growing up confused about one's sexual identity in a religious family.

    I consider that kind of film propaganda.
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    Oct 23, 2006, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Starman
    I consider that kind of film propaganda.
    Aren't all movies Starman?

    BTW
    There is no BTW. :D
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    Oct 23, 2006, 04:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Starman
    I consider that kind of film propaganda.
    Everything is propaganda - except what I write. That is simon pure truth free from any kind of bias or prejudice.
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    Oct 31, 2006, 03:22 PM
    I LOVE YOU ELTON JOHN!!

    Thanks for the music... forever!! I can even play a few tunes(always did)

    LITTLE JEANNIE
    FUNERAL FOR A FRIEND (Idisturbed the peace with that one)
    DANIEL
    ROCKET MAN

    LOVE IT>>>LOVE IT>>>LOVE IT!! AWESOME FOREVER!

    YOU make the difference for loving the sinner, hating the sin.

    DID I SAY YOU WERE ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITES?

    GOD BLESS. :) :) :)
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    Aug 17, 2007, 10:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by juanv225
    I would also like to add that I myself am gay and I grew up in a very christian (southern baptist) family. I dealt with being gay very harshly and almost committed suicide several times.

    First of all, I don't believe that any god, which I do believe in a higher power, would allow anyone to be "harmed" if we are all his creations. Also, he would be the one that invented "gay" and allows it to continue, otherwise it wouldn't even exist at the snap of a finger or "wave of a wand" if you will.

    Secondly, I don't know if there will ever be an answer to the "choice" question. I could sleep with women, have a relationship, marry... have children. But why would I want to be that unhappy? Would God want me to be unhappy? I believe we're put here to learn and explore and to be happy.

    Third, anyone that is gay you should be nice to if they are being nice to you, because everyday is a struggle for them and there are lots of gay kids out there that fight with their parents, family, and religion over these issues. Would you want someone to be so unhappy they kill themself because you've pushed the fear into them that "God will getcha!"

    Fourth, and finally - sorry for the long post - I have honestly became more and more aware that I don't believe in "the devil". I was always told Good had to exist and Evil had to exist. Well, supposedly the devil was once an angel himself, so he couldn't have been so bad, however, he did supposedly do a horrible deed and was banned from heaven for eternity. In the end, he was still a "good angel" at some point, not the horned, red, fire breathing evil-wrath bringing "angel".
    Well said

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