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simply_devious · Oct 11, 2006, 10:09 AM

I find myself in a bit of a predicament, I'm in my college library currently surfing the net for some songs and videos I can't do this at home because I find myself without internet access and I find it quite difficult to download any songs/video off the internet without software like limewire or shareaza or bearshare I have been able to locate some songs but not all of them I was wondering if perhaps someone could email me these songs or upload them on zshare.net and then email me the link so that I can save them onto my usb/mp3 player? You can also use yousendit.com anyway if you could that would be awesome thanks so much I'm desperate if not then thanks anyway:(

Here's the list

Brad Paisley - celebrity (audio and video)
Destiny's child - bills bills bills (audio)
K-ci and Jojo - All my life (audio)
TLC - No scrub (audio)
Lindsay Lohan - rumors (audio)
Jojo - Too little too late (video)
Jesse Mccartney - right where you want me (video)
Madtv Shakira - whatever don't matter (video)

Let me know thanks again.

ScottGem · Oct 11, 2006, 10:14 AM

Please don't ask or expect us to help you pirate copyrighted material. At least some of the songs you list are currently copyrighted. For us or anyone to send them to you would be illegal!!

If you want these songs, buy them on CD or use Napster, Rhapsody, ITunes or any one of a few other services that sell these tracks legally.

Be happy we don't forward your e-mail address to the RIAA.

wizzkid89 · Oct 18, 2006, 12:44 AM

Scott you need to chill on the whole illegal thing, but yeah no one is going to do that because it is illegal, however it is around the same extent of jaywalking, we have heard of it, but no one follows it. I do get my mp3' s legally, it's a great site called allofmp3.com and it's legal and based in russia and the songs are roughly a penny a piece, THAT'S RIGHT .01 YEAH BABY! But the whole controversy on the illegal thing is that copyrights in the internet have not been well established/or enfoced and that is why everyone is basically using limewire, kazaa, basically any free psp file sharing system.

ScottGem · Oct 18, 2006, 08:52 AM

NO its is NOT equivalent to jaywalking. Jaywalking is a victimless crime. Piracy is stealing, it is not victimless. You are also wrong that copyrights haven't been well established. The copyrights have always been established and clear. The problem has been that the ease of copying has made enforcement of copyrights harder.

NeedKarma · Oct 18, 2006, 09:12 AM

Unfortunately the extortion-like tactics of the RIAA paired with nasty DRM schemes are making people less guilty about getting songs through piracy. If only the big record companies would find a way to embrace the new technology versus trying to kill all versions of it.

ScottGem · Oct 18, 2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Unfortunately the extortion-like tactics of the RIAA paired with nasty DRM schemes are making people less guilty about getting songs through piracy. If only the big record companies would find a way to embrace the new technology versus trying to kill all versions of it.

I totally agree. The record industry has fostered a Robin Hood like mystique around the P2P networks. If they had realized the need to embrace the new technology and work within it instead of fighting it, piracy would probably not have reached the position it has. A look at the software industry shows that it could be done.

I doubt if piracy will ever be eliminated, but I think the software industry has reduced it to an acceptable level.

But that doesn't change the fact that piracy is stealing. No matter how you rationalize, no matter how much you think the RIAA deserves it, its still stealing.

wizzkid89 · Oct 18, 2006, 04:08 PM

YES YES YES, yeah there maybe a victim in it, and I totatlly sympathize with the artists and that is why I DO BUY THE SONGS. HOWEVER, I have read the copyright laws pertaining to the internet and they are very vague to say the least. If you create anything, then you own a copyright to it(according to their rules.) Well the problem is there is no real application process, or at least you don't need one to own a copyright therefore making it increasingly easy for people to steal things over the internet because these copyright laws are not enfocred and or well enforced.

ScottGem · Oct 18, 2006, 06:44 PM

Copyright laws are NOT very vague. They boil down to this:
You are not allowed to make copies of copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder's permission. The exception to this is the fair use clause which permits making copies for personal use only.

Therefore, anyone who makes copies and makes them available for distribution is violating the law. Anyone uses those copies is breaking the law.

The fact that digital media and the internet has made copying so much easier doesn't alter the fact that its stealing.

Again, no matter how much one rationalizes it (and I've heard all the excuses) its still stealing. Its unethical and illegal. I will not be a party to helping anyone pirate, nor giving them any excuse to justify their piracy. I don't think anyone here should be doing so either.

Thomas1970 · Oct 18, 2006, 07:21 PM

I would have to disagree that there is no real process to copyrighting material. Composing being one of my primay hobbies, I am fairly well versed from the music end of things. Many people do simply put their name and the year on their wok and consider it safe. But in the music industy, this is often referred to as a "poor man's copyright." It may well be considered your intellectual property, but upholding any sort of claim or lawsuit without the appropriate paperwork could be difficult. It would be somwhat akin to leaving an unregisteed car in a public lot. People rarely get prosecuted for stealing others' thoughts. People lose their minds everyday, it's a fact! ;)
Other than that, I agee with NeedKama and Scott, there is a geat deal of harm done on both sides regading properly copyrighted work.

wizzkid89 · Oct 18, 2006, 08:46 PM

I design websites, and I understand the rules scott, but it is very vague. It's all ethics, essentially. No paperwork, or proof of any kind, like thomas said, which makes it extremely difficult to prove proof of ownership. Yeah I get it that it is illegal, and I don't do it, however with the way the SYSTEM is setup it will continue to happen, due to the rules being so vague and no enforcement by any agency.

ScottGem · Oct 19, 2006, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by wizzkid89

I design websites, and I understand the rules scott, but it is very vague. It's all ethics, essentially. No paperwork, or proof of any kind, like thomas said, which makes it extremely difficult to prove proof of ownership. Yeah I get it that it is illegal, and I don't do it, however with the way the SYSTEM is setup it will continue to happen, due to the rules being so vague and no enforcement by any agency.

You are a good kid, but you are way offbase here. You obviously didn't read what Thomas said carefully. We are not talking about someone who self-copyrights. I've written some programs and I include a copyright notice on them. But I know I would have a hard time proving my claim if someone stole it. But that's NOT the same as Lindsay Lohan (one of the songs the OP wants to steal) recording and publishing a song. When a commercial artist records a song, they register the work with the Copyright office. There is a procedure for doing so (see www.loc.gov/copyright) and commercial artists or their recording companies have staff or departments that handle this task.

The original question here mentioned several commercial tracks. Tracks that would have copyrights properly filed and registered. There is no vagueness here.

wizzkid89 · Oct 19, 2006, 02:28 PM

I understand what you are talking about and I agree with you, as far as the music things goes, but what I was trying to explain was the vagueness in rules to internet/computer created items that get what's called an automatic copyright even without any registration process. But yeah I get that I might have been off topic, and I am sorry.

ScottGem · Oct 19, 2006, 04:13 PM

As I've said, I don't disagree with you. But its not limited to the Internet. Anyone can add a Copyright notice to any work. However, without registration, if the alleged holder has to sue someone who used their work, the likelihood of winning is about nil.

I think you understand now, that this subject started with and was specifically targeting works that have a registered copyright.

axelworks · Nov 17, 2006, 06:45 AM

ScottGem,

Do you own a TIVO system? If so or if not, why is recording a television show, or movie off your satellite system A-OK, but recording music is not?

Are these shows not copyrighted as well?

ScottGem · Nov 17, 2006, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by axelworks

Do you own a TIVO system? If so or if not, why is recording a television show, or movie off your satelite system A-OK, but recording music is not??

Are these shows not copyrighted as well?

No I don't own a TIVO, but I do make copies of broadcast shows. In fact, last night I watched an episode of Criminal Minds that I recorded Wednesday. After I watched it, I deleted it.

It might help if you read more carefully what I actually said. At no time did I say that recording or making copies of copyrighted material by itself was illegal. I specifically referred to the fair use doctrine that allows for making copies for personal use. What I said is illegal is the piracy of copyrighted material. This involves not only the copying, but also the distribution of copyrighted material.

The OP here asked for people to send her copies of specific songs. On that list were several songs that I know are currently under copyright protection. Doing so would have been illegal. If the OP bought songs or the CDs and made copies for her own use that would have been fine. If she recorded them off broadcast radio, that would have been fine. But to ask people to copy tracks off a CD they purchased, then send her that copy is to ask them to commit piracy.

NeedKarma · Nov 17, 2006, 06:58 AM

Axel,

As I understand it TIVO is for your own personal use, you are not sharing or giving copies of the shows to others. In the same way that people are rippings their CDs to mp3 format for personal use on their portable players.

Edit: Scott beat me to it. :)

axelworks · Nov 17, 2006, 05:56 PM

Would someone send me a copy. . Well, OK just a recording of these "laws" so I could look at them.

Thanks
-A

ScottGem · Nov 17, 2006, 07:29 PM

Go to www.loc.gov and search under copyright.

While copyright laws vary from country to country, they do have similarities.

What is your question here? If you wrote a song, wouldn't you want to be paid for your creative effort? How would you feel if people started distributing copies of your song without paying you for it? People are entitled to protection for their creative efforts. Its wrong to pirate their work.