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    Aug 29, 2006, 08:45 AM
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    What type of fallacy is this statement? We can recognize that athletes that participate in sports must be given special consideration within our grading system, or we can let the university sink into athletic oblivion.

    Thank you,
    Evelyn
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    Aug 29, 2006, 09:34 AM
    It implies that giving the special consideration is the cure for a university sinking into athletic oblivion when it indeed may not be, but as to the formal name for what kind of fallacy that is, forgive me, I don't know? I would call it an assumption, in a casual sense.
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    Aug 29, 2006, 09:36 AM
    I've forgotten the names I learned in Philosophy 101, so I hope someone comes along to supply the formal answer, it but in general the answer is because it implies a premise that is 1. not stated and 2. not true.
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    Aug 29, 2006, 09:38 AM
    Is this the exam you are writing?
    http://www.siskiyous.edu/class/phil4...finalexam.html

    See question #1.
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    Aug 29, 2006, 09:50 AM
    I can't tell you the type of fallacy... been too long since I took rhetorical criticism and logic.

    But the issue is probably the absence of the first event (special benefits) will lead to the second event (athletic oblivion). This is like saying, taking from the church of the flying spaghetti monster, that the decline in pirates inevitably led to the holes in the ozone layer. Well, OK... its not that extreme. But one event isn't necessarily causal of the second.

    The ability to attract top athletes is important to staying competitive. The assumption, however, is that you cannot get the top athletes or top coaches or funding without special considerations... or that even getting athletes who are not as good will inevitably lead to loss of competitiveness.

    Then why do top programs fall? Sure there are some perrenial powers in any sport, but it all athletes at all schools get consideration doesn't that mean all schools should be powerhouses (by this bad line of thinking).

    There's obviously more to having a solid program than that one event.

    The slippery slope would then be that the schools with the most lax requirements would have the strongest programs. I think that's not true.

    And for example, pro teams use an IQ test on prospects in camp. The tests are controversial in terms of use, but some athletes get lower interest with lower IQ ranking, with the thinking being they will not be able to memorize the complex systems used.
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    Aug 29, 2006, 09:59 AM
    Doesn't this make your mind stretch back in time! LOL
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    Aug 29, 2006, 10:13 AM
    An athlete like the rest of us nonathletic type must deal with society and the laws that those in power selected for us to follow.

    Our society have give men and women who are capable in handling themselves physically a higher status within our community(ies).

    There is nothing more embarrassing than an athlete not able to read the contact that he or she had signed. They must rely on the kindness of strangers to help them through this jungle.

    Our society has digressed to the point that a kind act or actions is considered not normal
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    Athletes bring money to the school and prestige to the coaches and teachers... the bottom line is money is...

    The arguments or fallacies continues - athletes should be exempt from the responsibilities place on them by our society. Therefore, the adjusting or the lowering of grades and our expectations of athletes... are our way of showing/expressing gratitude for their sacrifice of their bodies... for the sole purpose for/of our entertainment... athletes are our gladiator of the twentieth-second century... and desires are attention with gratuity and high status...

    I am however confused with this statement "...we can let the university sink into athletic oblivion..." are you asking society to destroy athletics... because you assume them incapable of receiving an education... I am confused with this point... so please explain? Oblivion is illogical use here...
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    Aug 29, 2006, 05:07 PM
    I'ts not the same exam, but has a lot of the same fallacies. Do you have the answers?
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    Sep 9, 2006, 09:38 PM
    Hi! I believe it is either one of two things or is both (it looks like it's both). It is an EITHER/OR FALLACY (either this must happen or else this will happen), which is making an assumption rather than a claim based on proof, evidence, and facts. It is also an APPEAL TO THE CONSEQUENCES OF A BELIEF (if this is true then this will result in negative consequences), which is also making an assumption rather than a claim based on proof, evidence, or facts. Hope this helped:)
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    Nov 2, 2006, 04:28 PM
    We can recognize that athletes that participate in sports must be given special consideration within our grading system, or we can let the university sink into athletic oblivion. What type of fallacy?
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    Nov 2, 2006, 05:39 PM
    Is the term you are looking for "false dichotpmy"?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
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    Nov 2, 2006, 09:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by prexiousmom
    What type of fallacy is this statement? We can recognize that athletes that participate in sports must be given special consideration within our grading system, or we can let the university sink into athletic oblivion.

    Thank you,
    Evelyn
    Hi! I think this one is a false dilemma; either X is true and Y is false or X is false and Y is true.
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    Nov 4, 2006, 07:39 PM
    I think it is False Dilemma

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