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    Jun 29, 2010, 11:36 AM
    How to prove this (urgent)
    My friend thinks I hacked her Facebook account. There must be some way to prove my innocence.

    I was thinking I could somehow try to get my internet history from my ISP? Or have her check my laptop..
    But those may not work.
    There has to be SOME way to prove this
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    Jun 29, 2010, 11:44 AM

    The only way you are getting anyone's internet history from any ISP is with a court order... it takes time... and time is money, they aren't going to do it over a petty issue... besides you proving you really are autorized to get that information.

    Having been around the block more than a few times in my 30 years in the Tech industry (and yes... I've been on the internet since 1981, long before most people even knew it existed)... my advice is to find new friends... real friends don't act like that. And real friends don't have to prove anything to their real friends.

    Who can say definitive proof (IF it was even possible to get) would satisfy that paranoid person you call a friend.

    Proving guilt is possible... proving innocence is essentually impossible.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 11:53 AM
    You can't prove a negative. One could accuse people all day of hacking into anything and making the other person prove their innocence. It doesn't work that way - they have to offer that you DID something, not that you DIDN'T do something.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 11:55 AM

    The reason she thinks this is because Facebook notifies you when an unrecognized location signs on your account. It notified her that someone signed on from the two cities I was in..
    So she thinks its too much of a coincidence
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    Jun 29, 2010, 11:58 AM
    To be honest I have never heard of such a notification in Facebook. Are you sure about that? People like myself travel all the time and log in either using a laptop or mobile device. I'll do a little research but it sounds odd to me.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:00 PM

    Sounds odd to me too, since there is no sure way to tell where a person logged on from.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:03 PM
    I found it: FaceBook Notification Feature When Others Login To Your Account

    Staying in Control of Your Facebook Logins | Facebook

    Nowhere does it mention location though.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:10 PM

    I have this feature enabled and it did send me an IP address of the last login, when I was out of the country.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:12 PM

    Correct, it sends an IP. But that is not an indication of a physical location where you logged in from.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:14 PM

    What do you mean? I thought an IP gives a physical location.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by watershipdown View Post
    What do you mean? I thought an IP gives a physical location.
    Of the ISP or company that owns it, it'll be a fairly generic location like a city. Some ISPs route their traffic to other cities that they use as giant routers/gateways.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by watershipdown View Post
    What do you mean? I thought an IP gives a physical location.
    Not always... it usually shows the physical location the IP is registered at, not the end user with a dynamic IP. And that's assuming a proxy server isn't being used... the IP isn't being spoofed, or that a hacker is using another machine they have hacked into.

    An IP sometimes means absolutely nothing in many cases.

    But it all STILL boils down to real friends don't go making the accusations this "friend" has made. How many other people live in those two cities... assuming the person logging in is actually in those cities... and that its not a legitimate account of someone that's one character different and they mistyped actually going into this one... and typing an account name at a site does not constitute "hacking" to anyone who is actually old enough to live on their own. You need a password as well before its really been hacked.

    Basically... NOBODY needs "friends" like that...
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by watershipdown View Post
    What do you mean? I thought an IP gives a physical location.
    You thought wrong. An IP is a unique address assigned to a computer or router that is directly connected to the Internet. Blocks of IPs are assigned to ISPs you, in turn, assign them to subscribers when they connect to the Net. While, the subscriber is often in the same geographic area as the ISP, that is, by no means always the case. Therefore, one cannot assume a physical location if they know the IP.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:40 PM

    Oh, so you mean just because it says someone logged on from New York, for example, doesn't mean the person actually was from New York because:
    1. The IP could be spoofed/proxy
    2. The ISP could reroute the IP

    If that's the case, maybe I can prove that the location means nothing by trying to find out which ISPs reroute their IPs through the location he was notified of?
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:47 PM

    Again, you can't prove a negative. Second, I doubt if you can get that info.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 12:54 PM

    What about recovering data from my hard drive... offering to do that to prove it
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    Jun 29, 2010, 01:00 PM

    If it was me... I would distance myself from that so-called "Friend".


    What will they accuse you of next time? If they did it once... they WILL do it again... and again... etc.

    You said it wasn't you... that should be enough to satisfy a real friend.
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    Jun 29, 2010, 01:24 PM

    So they will just say you logged in from another computer. Again, you can't prove a negative.
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