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    Aug 25, 2007, 07:30 AM
    Trying to dye red hair dark brown
    I've been dying my hair red for years and have recently decided to let it go natural (dark brown). So I dyed my brassy red hair a pretty dark brown from a box and really liked the results, only to find that - surprise, surprise - with every wash it gets much lighter and much reder (even though it was a "permanent dye"). A friend told me that is always going to happen when one tries to dye red hair something else. So now I'm considering going to a colorist and having my hair stripped and then dyed dark. So my question is whether this will work; i.e. will the red be sufficiently lifted out, and if it is, how often will I have to darken in so that it doesn't lighten to that weird, yellowish bleach color?
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    Helen
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    Jul 11, 2009, 06:53 AM
    Kera I thinck you should bleach your hair cause that is the only way it is going to stay in and if you did do that go to a hair salon and get the prodocks from a friend you know or get your hair done there if she knows a lot about it
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    Jul 11, 2009, 06:53 AM
    Kera I thinck you should bleach your hair cause that is the only way it is going to stay in and if you did do that go to a hair salon and get the prodocks from a friend you know or get your hair done there if she knows a lot about it
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    Jul 11, 2009, 07:01 AM

    This is my question I have red hair and I can only die it dark wash out colers cause I'm a kid and it can't be black cause my parents won't let me so I can die it brown green blue red orangeor pink and I hate pink and already have red
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    Jul 11, 2009, 09:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by helendy View Post
    I've been dying my hair red for years and have recently decided to let it go natural (dark brown). So I dyed my brassy red hair a pretty dark brown from a box and really liked the results, only to find that - surprise, surprise - with every wash it gets much lighter and much redder (even though it was a "permanent dye"). A friend told me that is always going to happen when one tries to dye red hair something else. So now I'm considering going to a colorist and having my hair stripped and then dyed dark. So my question is whether this will work; i.e., will the red be sufficiently lifted out, and if it is, how often will I have to darken in so that it doesn't lighten to that weird, yellowish bleach color?
    Thanks,
    Helen
    Hair dye fading is a very common problem -- especially when a tintback is performed. The color fades because the hair is porous. When the hair is porous, it can be difficult to get it to hold. If you go to a colorist, it will still fade.

    One thing that most people don't think of is to dye it with a demi-permanent dye. Demi-permanents are marketed as "semi-permanent" as the prefix "Demi" is poorly understood by the general population. One can tell the difference between a semi-permanent and a demi-permanent because the demi is mixed with a developer before you apply it. You can also look up the brand you're considering on the web. Common demi-permanents include L'Oreal Castings Color Spa and Clairol Natural Instincts. There are some professional demi-permanents that you can get at Sally Beauty.

    Now, I'm sure that a lot of people who are reading this will say "No Way!" and will consider giving me a reddie. They will think, "how can something that's supposed to be temporary work?" Let me explain.

    Demi-permanents work because they use large molecules. These molecules are not normally capable of penetrating the cuticle so they tend to deposit only on the outside of the hair. Washing tends to fade it away so it' becomes a long-lasting temporary dye. The developer (a weak hydrogen peroxide solution) is not strong enough to lighten the natural pigments (normally -- there are plenty of exceptions). Now, when you use it on very porous hair, the demi is capable of penetrating the hair and depositing deep inside the hair shaft. If the hair weren't porous, it wouldn't work. Furthermore, because of the large molecular size compared to a "permanent" dye, it has a more difficult time leaching out of the hair than the normal dye.

    You might also be able to increase its permanence by using a stronger peroxide solution (up to 20-volume) instead of the developer that it comes with (usually 6-volume to 10-volume peroxide), but that's probably an advanced technique. Also, doing that will actually cause less pigment than normal to be deposited so it's may not help a great deal. If the peroxide strength gets too strong, it will deposit too fast and that will also cause problems, so you might be better off just using it from the box.
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    Aug 30, 2009, 03:29 PM
    OK I have raid hair when I first tried to make it brown the boxes didn't work I had get it done at a salon for the brown to take
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    Aug 30, 2009, 09:45 PM

    Do not have your hair stripped to go dark! Your friend has no clue what she is talking about! That will make your hair more porous and it will fade faster! The red does haunt people for a bit as it does have a way of coming back! However you can cancel that pigment by using a natural brown Wich contians a bit of ash! Ash is green!green cancels out red! When the existing pigment is red and ash is applied over it the two cancel each other out resulting in a neutral!therefore giving you a brown!
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    Jan 4, 2010, 11:57 AM

    OK ino this was posted along time ago and you hopefuly now have you're hair the brown you want but perito you have that roung I don't no were you have got that from about putting demi and semi permant over a permant dye wich will not take atal it will only coulour the roots of the hair the best thing for this situation would be to get it bleached and then put a brown over it and take really good care of you're hair by conditioning it a lot and maybe even a profeshional condionting treatment .
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    Jan 15, 2011, 07:46 AM
    My natural hair is salt & pepper around my face, with medium brown towards the back. I put a med/dark red on it, and it's getting more copper with every wash. My roots are now grown out a quarter of an inch, so the virgin hair will grab the color differently than the dyed red hair. I'm going to use a light ash, and keep a box of a darker color on hand in case I get "green". I'll let you know how it comes out!
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    Jul 12, 2011, 01:44 PM
    Idk but I started using coffe for the red blonde pigment in my hair and now it's a light auburn witch is morally almost brown.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 08:22 AM
    I really want to dye my hair brown I have dark red hair at the mo I did have it brown but the roots were yellow I dyed it from red so I gv up and went bk red what can I do to get brown roots thanks danielle

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