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JudyKayTee · Jun 24, 2008, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Amandalyn

Maybe you should know the whole story before you say things like that. Maybe I didnt realize there was a problem until their stepmom told me a few weeks back the hours i can call my kids when they are at their house. Maybe I am not happy that she left my 5 year old home alone to go get the other kids from school. Maybe you should think and ask questions before you run your mouth. Maybe i can call my kids at 8 at night on a summer night to tell them I miss them without her interferring. And when someone tells me i can't call my kids, that is not jealousy...thats rage! Maybe there are so many other things that are leading me to check into this that you dont even know about!!

Maybe I only know what you posted and that's what I - and everyone else - are going on. Maybe we don't read minds.

And I don't want you calling your kids at my house after 9PM either.

Originally Posted by Amandalyn

Oh my goodness. Why are people always looking for trouble? You should go get testy with the girl who left me that absurd message. I am not looking for any money to SURVIVE. Where did you read that? We are doing just fine on our own and will continue to do so. How can you sit there and tell me that i didnt long for my girls until he remarried. That is absolutely insane to insinuate such thing. I am a damn good mother and friend and I am simply looking for advice to see if what chance I have to get the child support for my three children that I deserve. he screwed me because I was nice and just because it has taken me awhile to realize it, does not make me a bad person. Shame on you for saying what you said.

Maybe I thought you needed money to survive because you posted: " I am now unhappy with the situation because I can't really afford to keep a roof over my kids head. I only can do it because of my boyfriend."

No shame on anyone - shame on you for not getting an Attorney in the first place.

So I repeat my question - why did it take you so long to decide you need/miss/want your girls with you more than you have them?

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by George_1950

Check this, if you haven't already: Child Support

Thank you George! :)

Depressed in MO · Jun 24, 2008, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Amandalyn

Maybe you can't read because I said 8 not 9. so maybe thats why you are so misunderstood because YOU can't READ!!!

"The kids new stepmom told me I can't call after 9 to talk to my kids"

This IS in your original post.

I totall sympathise with you, although I do agree with others, I still understand how you are hurting-However, you are wrong to make such a harsh statement because you clearly said that you could not call after 9. you said 9 NOT 8.

stinawords · Jun 24, 2008, 02:25 PM

No one ever said sit back and do nothing, plenty have said what you can do. As Judy pointed out, you did say you were struggling you even said that if your boyfriend left you wouldn't have a roof over your head!! No one is putting those words in your mouth you posted that. I stand by my original post and have to say if you go into court with this kind of attitude a judge is not likely going to look at you like you are a "damn good mother". If the kids are with their dad half the week the roof is provided by him, their beds there are provided by him their food and clothing should also be provided by him. He can legally tell you not to call at any time becaue it's his house his rules maybe he's trying to get the kids to be then. I really wonder if you really have a lawyer because if you did you wouldn't be so concerned about getting free advice here.

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

"The kids new stepmom told me I can't call after 9 to talk to my kids"

This IS in your original post.

I totall sympathise with you, althought I do agree with others, I still understand how you are hurting-However, you are wrong to make such a harsh statement because you clearly said that you could not call after 9. you said 9 NOT 8.

Modification of Support Orders

The court may subsequently modify a child support order if there is a substantial change of circumstances. When determining whether a substantial change of circumstances has occurred, the court shall consider such factors as the following:

Changes in the employment, income or resources of a party
Receipt of an inheritance, pension or other gift
Changes in the medical expenses of a party
Changes in the number or needs of dependents of a party
Changes in the physical, mental, or emotional health of a party
Changes in the residence of a party
Remarriage of a party
Possible support of the party by another person
Changes in the physical, mental, or educational needs of a child
Contempt by a party of existing orders

Lets see... his income has gone up... a lot since the divorce
He has inherited a great deal since the divorce
He got remarried

There are 3 reasons right there!

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JudyKayTee · Jun 24, 2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Amandalyn

Modification of Support Orders There are 3 reasons right there! So i guess you disagree with the court system as well.

OP is becoming unnecessarily insulting - have no idea why she posted the question when she apparently already knows the answer. Personal insults are never necessary or appropriate.

Removing responses didn't calm things down and this thread should be closed - in my opinion.

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by stinawords

No one ever said sit back and do nothing, plenty have said what you can do. As Judy pointed out, you did say you were struggling you even said that if your boyfriend left you wouldn't have a roof over your head!!! No one is putting those words in your mouth you posted that. I stand by my original post and have to say if you go into court with this kind of attitude a judge is not likely going to look at you like you are a "damn good mother". If the kids are with their dad half the week the roof is provided by him, their beds there are provided by him their food and clothing should also be provided by him. He can legally tell you not to call at any time becaue it's his house his rules maybe he's trying to get the kids to be then. I really wonder if you really have a lawyer because if you did you wouldn't be so concerned about getting free advice here.

I am seeing my lawyer Thursday. I am just looking for questions and making sure I have all my questions with me when I go.

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stinawords · Jun 24, 2008, 02:33 PM

If we are so unimportant then why do you keep getting on? None of us are going anywhere there have been enough people that honestly needed help and took their sound legal advice and made themselves better lives with it. All you seem to want to do is have someone say you shouldn't have to work just live off your boyfriend and child support.

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

OP is becoming unnecessarily insulting - have no idea why she posted the question when she apparently already knows the answer. Personally insults are never necessary or appropriate.

Removing responses didn't calm things down and this threads should be closed - in my opinion.

Because my nice friend George sent me that just now.

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by stinawords

If we are so unimportant then why do you keep gettin on? None of us are going anywhere there have been enough people that honestly needed help and took their sound legal advice and made themselves better lives with it. All you seem to want to do is have someone say you shouldn't have to work just live off of your boyfriend and child support.

In fact I have to keep working, because my lawyer is going after a joint support order which means I have to pay him too!! I can't just stop working.

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stinawords · Jun 24, 2008, 02:46 PM

Like I said, if you don't like your answers then stop reading them. Go see what your lawyer says and if all you have to pay him is 800 bucks you're getting quite the deal.

Amandalyn · Jun 24, 2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by stinawords

Like I said, if you don't like your answers then stop reading them. Go see what your lawyer says and if all you have to pay him is 800 bucks you're getting quite the deal.

Why quite the deal? I am not trying to modify custody which is expensive... just child support which is generally around 800.00 to do so if you want a lawyer.

ScottGem · Jun 24, 2008, 05:33 PM

OK, lets calm down here.

Amanda,
We have rules on this site about being civil in your postings. That's why several of your posts have been removed or edited. If you continue ranting and attacking people trying to help you this thread will be closed.

I'm a little confused about something. In a situation where there is evenly shared custody there is generally no support with each parent paying for the kids while they are in their custody. If anything, the higher earner will contribute towards the lower earner.

In some of your removed posts you claim you that you are paying your ex and that doesn't make sense.

But the bottomline here is you nowhave an attorney, who knows the law and will be able to help get you a more equitable arrangement.

Amandalyn · Jun 25, 2008, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by ScottGem

OK, lets calm down here.

Amanda,
We have rules on this site about being civil in your postings. That's why several of your posts have been removed or edited. If you continue ranting and attacking people trying to help you this thread will be closed.

I'm a little confused about something. In a situation where there is evenly shared custody there is generally no support with each parent paying for the kids while they are in their custody. If anything, the higher earner will contribute towards the lower earner.

In some of your removed posts you claim you that you are paying your ex and that doesn't make sense.

But the bottomline here is you nowhave an attorney, who knows the law and will be able to help get you a more equitable arrangement.

That's right Scott. With joint, my lawyer is going after joint support as well, which is I pay him a third of my income and he pays me a third of his income... which equals out since his income is so much more than mine... that he will just be paying me...

ScottGem · Jun 25, 2008, 06:56 AM

You didn't quite answer my question. Are you paying him anything now? Is he paying you anything now?

I understand what your attorney is going for. Basically you will get the difference between 1/3 your income and 1/3 his. That seems reasonable. But I'm still not clear on what the current situation is. Since, you seem to be sharing custody equally, then you should each be paying for when the children are in your custody.

cntrlof1sdestny · Jun 25, 2008, 11:02 AM

Maybe someone could help me understand this a bit better...
How is it fair that the father should have to pay for everything when the children are in his care, and also have to help support them when they are with their mother, if they share custody 50/50? I bet the father would also like to drop down to part-time work and spend additional time with his children, just like the mother is requesting... I don't understand how this is fair?
Also, not trying to be rude, but if the mother cannot afford her children when she does have them, why did she have another child with the boyfriend? Please let me know if I am missing something here...

Amandalyn · Jun 25, 2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by cntrlof1sdestny

Maybe someone could help me understand this a bit better...
How is it fair that the father should have to pay for everything when the children are in his care, and also have to help support them when they are with their mother, if they share custody 50/50? I bet the father would also like to drop down to part-time work and spend additional time with his children, just like the mother is requesting.... I don't understand how this is fair?
Also, not trying to be rude, but if the mother cannot afford her children when she does have them, why did she have another child with the boyfriend? Please let me know if I am missing something here...

Ok I will help you understand. The father does not have to pay for EVERYTHING when the children are in his care. Do you understand that now? Ok good. He gave me three of his kids and then left me. I never worked when him and I were together. I took care of the children... I still do provide for my children. All he does is work and leave them with Stepmom... while I work too. Plus he asks me for money all the time and his income is so much higher than mine. Is that fair?

cntrlof1sdestny · Jun 25, 2008, 11:41 AM

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I'm sure others would disagree with me, but... his income should not have anything to do with it. It took BOTH of you to make those babies and it should be BOTH of your responsibilities to support them AND love them equally. If joint custody was agreed upon, then he should financially support them when they are with him and you should support them when they are with you. When it comes to items such as clothes, shoes, school supplies, etc. those items should be split and if he is the one doing the shopping, then yes, you should give him money or vice versa. In regards to the step-mom raising the children when he is at work, isn't his responsibility to provide a caring environment for them when the little ones are in his care and your responsibility to provide the care when they are with you and you are at work. Do you offer to let him "baby-sit" for you when you are working or vice versa? If so, maybe that is something the two of you could work out.

ScottGem · Jun 25, 2008, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Amandalyn

Plus he asks me for money all the time and his income is so much higher than mine. Is that fair?

This is the part I don't understand. At the very least, if you each have the children half the time, then you should each pay for the children only when they are in each's care. You should not be giving him money and vice versa.

If you do give him money I don't see why, unless its ordered by a court and if it is ordered by a court them you got the short end of the stick. So you are right to go back to the court for a modification.

Amandalyn · Jun 25, 2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by cntrlof1sdestny

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I'm sure others would disagree with me, but.... his income should not have anything to do with it. It took BOTH of you to make those babies and it should be BOTH of your responsibilities to support them AND love them equally. If joint custody was agreed upon, then he should financially support them when they are with him and you should support them when they are with you. When it comes to items such as clothes, shoes, school supplies, etc. those items should be split and if he is the one doing the shopping, then yes, you should give him money or vice versa. In regards to the step-mom raising the children when he is at work, isn't his responsibility to provide a caring environment for them when the little ones are in his care and your responsibility to provide the care when they are with you and you are at work. Do you offer to let him "baby-sit" for you when you are working or vice versa? If so, maybe that is something the two of you could work out.

We both support them and love them. Its just not equally. Children are not cheap and he makes enough money to provide for them without me. So then why does he ask me for money for this and that for things they do in his care... and then try to make me feel like a piece of crap Mom if I don't run him out a check??