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    JohnsPop Posts: 99, Reputation: 2
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    Dec 2, 2018, 01:29 PM
    Does it matter which building gets power first?
    I'm interested in building a house and shop on some land. I have not contacted the power company yet as I wanted to get some advice on how to route the power into my property and if I have any options available to me. The entrance to my property is funnel shaped with about a 300' road leading into the gate. On my attachment, point 1 is where the end of the county road meets my private road, point 2 is where my private road leads into my property, point 3 is where my shop will be located and point 4 is where my house will be located. My question is does it matter if I take power to the shop and then to the house, or do you have to go to the house first and then to the shop? The house will be around 1600 sq ft and no unique power needs. We'll have I guess "standard" HVAC, stove, water heater, dryer and well pump connections, so I guess 200A would do it. The shop won't be anything really unique either. It'll be about 1300 sq ft and I'll be running only 1 power tool at a time like a table saw or planer, or maybe 2 at a time like a dust collector while the tool is running. I would like to be able to run a 240v welder, but just a "standard" buzz box stick welder. It'll be just pretty much a "hobby grade" shop, not a commercial enterprise, so maybe a 100A deal? Maybe 40-60A would do it, I don't know. Ideally, I'd like to put a little utility building just inside my gate and then trench everything myself as I have time so I don't lose any more trees than I have to. If the power company brings the line in overhead, I think it's a 15-30' wide lane they have to have and I'd rather not cut that many trees down if I can help it. However, depending on how much they're willing to run for free versus what I have to pay for, that may sway that decision. :) If anyone can look at my map and at the two power company sheets and tell me what I'm looking at, I'd appreciate it. I'll answer any questions I can. I just want to be as informed as I can be when I approach the power company. Thank you.

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    Dec 3, 2018, 11:42 AM
    Hi John, Appendix C is an estimate of what APCO is going to do, and evidently they will chart and dig their own trenches, OR run your overhead lines whichever you choose. Appendix A is simply the after install charges for further service if needed. I would need the entire thing for context and detail but it looks pretty standard and if I remember correctly you would have to pass inspection before any power hook up work is done. This is where you pull your local REGULATIONS, as you may have to get some permits, and there you will find what you have to have.

    Before you spend a dime you should already have your own cost estimates with a bill of material that meets your local code for both buildings, and their usage.

    A good read:

    https://iaeimagazine.org/magazine/ne...united-states/
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    Dec 3, 2018, 01:08 PM
    Your local power utility will make those decisions for you.
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    Dec 3, 2018, 08:15 PM
    Ok, I'm just trying to figure out my layout right now and how and where to run my infrastructure before I get ahead of myself. Once I get more along with the clearings for my house and shop, I'll call the Util and get them out there to look at it.
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    Dec 7, 2018, 06:23 AM
    Oh and just so y'all know, I'm not planning on doing this work myself. :) My county has no building permits, and even though I've got a bit of electrical experience such as running outlets, installing breakers, etc, I am by no means an electrician. I will have a licensed electrician connect the panel and install all the wiring. I might move or add an outlet if my wife says "can we have one over here" that kind of thing, but I will not be doing the work myself. :)
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    Dec 16, 2018, 12:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by donf View Post
    Your local power utility will make those decisions for you.
    Actually, most utilities will work with the customer and do what they can to accommodate.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnsPop View Post
    Ok, I'm just trying to figure out my layout right now and how and where to run my infrastructure before I get ahead of myself. Once I get more along with the clearings for my house and shop, I'll call the Util and get them out there to look at it.
    There is not much we can tell you here. This is something you really need to go over with a site meeting. Tell them what you want to do and they'll give you your options.

    One thing I will say is that no way will you be able to run secondary (120/240V) that far. You are going to need to run primary (high-voltage) to a transformer closer to the house and shop. Typically secondary is limited to 250' underground, and a little bit farther overhead.
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    Dec 16, 2018, 06:37 PM
    "One thing I will say is that no way will you be able to run secondary (120/240V) that far". I'll second that. At out GA mountain house, we are almost 300 ft. from the road. They set a pole and transformer on the property next door, ran a 100 ft. line to their house and another somewhat shorter line to our house but they had to install an intermediate pole at our house because of the trees.

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