WOW! Those are some very interesting remarks you've made, rfrank41, and the first and only 2 you've posted since becoming a member. So, let's see if we can help you out here a little bit and touch on your questions and statements...
Why do dog owners continue to tell new dog owners that puppies do not poop in their crate?
I guess it's because, when adopting an animal, most people commit to properly caring for their pet. This includes taking into consideration that their new puppy will have to relieve itself every few hours and make the proper arrangements to allow him/her to do so.
Such arrangements could be to have a family member, friend, or neighbor let the puppy out while the owner is at work and/or stopping home during their lunch break for a "potty break". These are both good examples for crate training during the day. If this is just not possible then crate training should not be the method used. Leaving a dog/puppy in a crate for endless hours at a time is not considered "training".
("Crate training should not be abused, otherwise the problem will get drastically worse. The crate is not intended as a place to lock up the dog and forget her for extended periods of time. If your dog soils her crate because you left her there too long, the house training process will be set back several weeks, if not months." quoted from: "perfectpaws" - a link has been provided below)
There are other solutions to keeping a pet happy, healthy, and clean in the training process such as, having a run, kennel, or fenced in back yard, providing a doghouse or shelter to protect them from the weather, while only crate training at night and/or on days when the owner is able to supervise. Or, blocking off a puppy proof area/room of the house (bathrooms and laundry rooms do well), laying training pads or newspaper on the floor, and putting the crate inside the room with the door of the crate open. This gives the puppy a safe and comfortable place to stay while their owner is at work, And once again, only closing the puppy in the crate at night or when able to supervise.
These are just some of the many things and sacrifices done by the many successful potty training pet owners that care for the wellbeing of their animals in order to avoid accidents in crates.
For the sake of the animal, if none of these options are possible or considerable, then one should not be a pet owner.
Animals are not happy wollering in their own waste, not to mention it's unhealthy and unsanitary. Given the choice ( by this I mean, providing them with a run, kennel, or backyard with a doghouse, or a designated room with their crate door open), they are not going to "poop" in their crate or doghouse. It really does all boil down to the simple fact that, dog owners who chose the day crate training method could fit it into their lifestyle and took the time to do all the necessary steps involved to successfully train their pet.
The other methods mentioned above are used as a means to prevent the animal from soiling itself because the owners lifestyle does not permit them to constantly be at hand.
So, there you have it, the answer to your question, the reason why so many dog owners tell new dog owners that dogs don't poop their crates and if they do then you're doing something wrong.
They will always poop in their crates. For someone to say they won't , doesn't know dogs at all.
It is not that they do not know dogs at all, it is that they know dogs all too well.
yes if your home all day and you don't have a job and you take your dog out every couple of hours... sure it isn't going to have a mess, but us working people have to leave our puppies for long days and they are not going to hold it that long when they are puppies and they don't have the bladder or bowel capacity to do so.
Right here is where you ever so slightly point out what your doing wrong.
(leaving the puppy in the crate for extended hours without potty breaks and with no other place to relieve it's self). You make a clear statement that you work and your puppy cannot/could not hold it for the amount of time you were/are away.
*dogs are social creatures and need a sense of belonging. They do not prefer to be solo. When left alone for extended amounts of time, especially while confined, they can become depressed leading to bad habits and disliked manners that range in a wide variety of areas - one being potty issues.
And of course, just as every person makes mistakes, a dog will too... There could be several factors that could possibly lead to an accident (people food, change in brand of dog food, impactions from chewing and swallowing non food items - the list goes on and on), but under normal circumstances, given the proper care and attention, along with the potty training method that fits the owners lifestyle, there will be no poop in the crate.
*Picking a dog breed that's right for an owners lifestyle plays an important part in successful training as well. Every puppy is fully capable of being potty trained by 16 weeks old. However, the breed, age, and size of dog does determine the length and amount of time they can withhold from going.
Any more questions? You can visit this website for a complete guide on the do's and dont's for crate training and other methods. http://www.inch.com/~dogs/cratetraining.html
Another good site : http://www.perfectpaws.com/crt.html