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whiskeybaby1989 · Oct 1, 2009, 12:02 AM

I have a almost two yr old lab hound border collie and he had parvo as a pup and got through it with the vets help is it possible for him to get parvo again? Can sumone please help me out?

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 04:27 AM

Your dog cannot get parvo a second time, whiskey, he has built up an immunity to it at 2 years old.

Tick

AshenVenus · Oct 1, 2009, 07:33 AM

Actually, I have to disagree with Tick...

Although a dog will have some antibodies built up in his system against Parvo, they do wear off over the lifespan of a dog if they don't get their regular vaccinations.

This is why we often run titer tests on dogs to see what level the antigens against a specific disease are.

If your dog had Parvo as a pup and hasn't been vaccinated against it annually since then... there is a possibility that he can get it again. At the clinic where I work, I've actually seen 3 cases where the dog got it as a pup and then never had vaccines and got it a second time.

If you think your dog might have Parvo, it's best to have your vet see it and run a Parvo snap test.. this will measure the antibodies and give you a definite diagnosis.

Good luck!

JudyKayTee · Oct 1, 2009, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by tickle

Your dog cannot get parvo a second time, whiskey, he has built up an immunity to it at 2 years old.

tick

While it is somewhat unlikely, it is not impossible - or unusual.

Please post your source.

shazamataz · Oct 1, 2009, 08:33 AM

It's the same as a human getting Chicken Pox a second time... unlikely but possible..

Even if he has had Parvo in the past I would still get the vaccination, mine get a 4 in 1 jab at the vets.

However if your dog had his 12 months vaccinations then it is extremely unlikely he could get parvo... It is a fact that dogs are over-vaccinated...
They only need their 12 month vaccination then they do not need another one for years

Over-Vaccinating Dogs - Wellsphere

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

Please post your source.

Dr, Nancy Shand

Ganaraska Animal Clinic

146 Rose Glen Rd S Port Hope, ON L1A 3V6 - (905) 885-8151

this8384 · Oct 1, 2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by tickle

Dr, Nancy Shand

Ganaraska Animal Clinic

146 Rose Glen Rd S Port Hope, ON L1A 3V6 - (905) 885-8151

This link-
Parvo FAQs
- says otherwise. They recommend an annual vaccine.

EDIT: Is this something Dr. Shand told you directly or just a local vet that you provided as a reference?

JudyKayTee · Oct 1, 2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

Dr, Nancy Shand

Ganaraska Animal Clinic

146 Rose Glen Rd S Port Hope, ON L1A 3V6 - (905) 885-8151

I think I would bring the info about the annual vaccinations and so forth to her attention and find out what her source is - it can't be both ways.

I don't want over-vaccinate my dogs but I also don't want them to be unprotected.

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by this8384

This link-
Parvo FAQs
- says otherwise. They recommend an annual vaccine.

EDIT: Is this something Dr. Shand told you directly or just a local vet that you provided as a reference?

Dr, Shand is my vet who I have been using for last 20 years. My walker hound can't receive this vaccination because she is enemic, l2 years old and on steroids, (Presdnisone twice a day) for a torn ligament. The only vaccination she can get is her three year rabies shot. She had parvo and recovered. Dr. Shand told me years ago, she would be okay. I took her word for it.

Tick

JudyKayTee · Oct 1, 2009, 12:10 PM

And Dr. Shand said a dog builds up immunities and cannot get Parvo a second time?

Or did she say your dog can't get the vaccine?

My dog is also on prednisone, a GSD, and I was advised she needed the vaccination.

What is enemic?

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 12:23 PM

Enemic is a blood problem. A few years ago she got sick from eating grass that had been treated with insecticide (people that have their lawns sprayed). As it stands right now, if she got a serious cut she would bleed to death.

Dr. Shand said that with proper care she would be okay. Seeing as she is l2 years old now, and had parvo ll years ago, I guess her immune system carried her through.

Edit: she is on prednisone because regular activity is out of the question for her. She has one leg out of commission, so is functioning with three. The steroids are keeping her muscles from going slack (for want of a better explanation). The steriod increases her appetite. We will try and get her through the winter without mishaps, but Dr. Shand said it is likely she will lose the ligament in the other back leg.

Tick

this8384 · Oct 1, 2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

Enemic is a blood problem. A few years ago she got sick from eating grass that had been treated with insecticide (people that have their lawns sprayed). As it stands right now, if she got a serious cut she would bleed to death.

Dr. Shand said that with proper care she would be okay. Seeing as she is l2 years old now, and had parvo ll years ago, I guess her immune system carried her through.

tick

I assume you're referring to "aplastic anemia" which is associated with organochlorine insecticide.

If your dog has aplastic anemia, which causes the body to not produce enough blood cells, how was her body able to build up a healthy enough immune system that she could fight off parvo?

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by this8384

I assume you're referring to "aplastic anemia" which is associated with organochlorine insecticide.

If your dog has aplastic anemia, which causes the body to not produce enough blood cells, how was her body able to build up a healthy enough immune system that she could fight off parvo?

I don't know the answer to your question, this, but before she got sick three years ago from eating that grass, as it is the only thing that could have caused the enemia, she was a pretty healthy dog, weighing in at 70 lbs. All I know is right now, all she can have is the three year rabies shot.

Tick

this8384 · Oct 1, 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

I dont know the answer to your question, this, but before she got sick three years ago from eating that grass, as it is the only thing that could have caused the enemia, she was a pretty healthy dog, weighing in at 70 lbs. All I know is right now, all she can have is the three year rabies shot.

tick

So you have no proof that the insecticide caused the anemia? It's just an assumption? She just got sick, you assumed she ate treated grass and that caused anemia?

How can you give advice on parvo if you're basing it on guesses about your own dog and why/why not she got sick? Not to mention that just because your dog is anemic, doesn't mean every other dog out there has "built up immunity" to a disease?

My apologies if you are offended, but that is absolutely terrible advice. You've more or less said that you don't know why you gave that advice - just that you gave it because you did.

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by this8384

So you have no proof that the insecticide caused the anemia? It's just an assumption? She just got sick, you assumed she ate treated grass and that caused anemia?

How can you give advice on parvo if you're basing it on guesses about your own dog and why/why not she got sick? Not to mention that just because your dog is anemic, doesn't mean every other dog out there has "built up immunity" to a disease?

My apologies if you are offended, but that is absolutely terrible advice. You've more or less said that you don't know why you gave that advice - just that you gave it because you did.

This, at the time Dr. Shand and I could only think of one thing that caused the sickness, there could have been nothing else, she doesn't run. Her and I would walk every day. That was the only possible explanation because dogs eat grass/

I didn't say I didn't know why I gave the advice, where did you see that?

Tick

JudyKayTee · Oct 1, 2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

edit: she is on prednisone because regular activity is out of the question for her. She has one leg out of commission, so is functioning with three. The steriods are keeping her muscles from going slack (for want of a better explanation). The steriod increases her appetite. We will try and get her through the winter without mishaps, but Dr. Shand said it is likely she will lose the ligament in the other back leg.

tick

My Rott was only 5 but she tore both rear ligaments - we had both redone. The surgery was so-so successful. She was never 100%, probably more like 80%. Unfortunately she died of something unrelated about 14 months later.

But, yes, that's a crippling problem.

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by JudyKayTee

My Rott was only 5 but she tore both rear ligaments - we had both redone. The surgery was so-so successful. She was never 100%, probably more like 80%. Unfortunately she died of something unrelated about 14 months later.

But, yes, that's a crippling problem.

If she was younger I would put the money out for her too, but she will be l2 soon and I would rather have her here with me for as long as I can without recovering from surgery (which she may not recover from). She is happy, and almost like her old self right now. She doesn't ask for walks any more, I guess she knows her limitations.

this8384 · Oct 1, 2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

I didnt say I didnt know why I gave the advice, where did you see that?

tick

When you told the OP that their dog would be fine without any supporting evidence of your statement, and then changed the topic to your anemic dog who can only have a rabies shot every 3 years, I figured that was your way of admitting that you didn't give the right answer.

tickle · Oct 1, 2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by this8384

So you have no proof that the insecticide caused the anemia? It's just an assumption? She just got sick, you assumed she ate treated grass and that caused anemia?

.

The vet and I had to put our thinking caps on and decide why a normally healthy animal, as big as an adult, and active would be taken quite this ill in a short period. Yes, we had to assume, this, because she was expiring, any assumption was good as long as it explained the toxicology tests that were coming back indicating a blood disorder. Dogs can't indicate so a person that knows them well has to think something like this through.I could only think of her eating grass while out walking with me, and remembering the flags on the lawns indicating pesticide treatment, although she liked the long grass on the road verge, it could have been overspray.

Whatever it was, could be that, Dr. Shand put two and two together with what we discussed and the blood work and came up with a treatment plan that worked.

This thread isn't about my dog and how she was diagnosed, it is about your opinion of my answer and all answers I give. Everyone here knows your opinion of me, you have made that quite clear, this, in other threads. I don't have any opinion of you and I don't think I will ever have one.

Tick

this8384 · Oct 1, 2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

The vet and I had to put our thinking caps on and decide why a normally healthy animal, as big as an adult, and active would be taken quite this ill in a short period of time. Yes, we had to assume, this, because she was expiring, any assumption was good as long as it explained the toxicology tests that were coming back indicating a blood disorder. Dogs can't indicate so a person that knows them well has to think something like this through.I could only think of her eating grass while out walking with me, and remembering the flags on the lawns indicating pesticide treatment, although she liked the long grass on the road verge, it could have been overspray.

Whatever it was, could be that, Dr. Shand put two and two together with what we discussed and the blood work and came up with a treatment plan that worked.

This thread isnt about my dog and how she was diagnosed, it is about your opinion of my answer and all answers I give. Everyone here knows your opinion of me, you have made that quite clear, this, in other threads. I dont have any opinion of you and I dont think I will ever have one.

tick

That's a joke. Your attitude is constant and I didn't have an opinion of you until you gave me one.

Time to close the thread. It's not about the OP's dog anymore; it's about tickle diagnosing her "enemic" dog.