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    #1

    Jul 29, 2021, 02:24 AM
    Why Are So Many Refusing Vaccination?
    Their refusal is the only thing preventing the end of the Covid pandemic in the US.
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    Jul 29, 2021, 05:07 AM
    Their refusal is the only thing preventing the end of the Covid pandemic in the US.
    It is not that simple . The virus seems to mutate at a high rate . The vaccine does not prevent all infections or transmissions. Epidemiologists in 28 countries predict that the vaccines will be obsolete in a year .
    Two-thirds of epidemiologists warn mutations could render current COVID vaccines ineffective in a year or less | Oxfam International

    The incubator for the virus is in the developing world ;not the US . Delta and Lambda did not develop here . But here is where they landed and will land (Lambda aided by the Dem open border policy.)

    The fight has to be at the source . So if anything the emphasis of vaccine distribution should be in the developing world . Also a new emphasis should be placed on treatments along with vaccines and boosters .

    This virus is endemic similar to the flu and common cold and humans will have to adapt to that reality .
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    #3

    Jul 29, 2021, 06:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    It is not that simple
    Yeah, it's pretty simple.

    The vaccine does not prevent all infections or transmissions.
    The vaccine prevents 96% of the Delta variant. Not having a vaccine prevents ZERO infections.

    The incubator for the virus is in the developing world ;not the US
    The infection rate is higher in the US than in any other country.

    Lambda aided by the Dem open border policy.
    White Republicans make up the largest demographic of people in the U.S. who remain vaccine-avoiders with 53% saying they were not getting the vaccine. Democrats who have received the vaccine are 88%, far higher than Republicans.

    The fight has to be at the source . So if anything the emphasis of vaccine distribution should be in the developing world
    The fight is here and NOW. The possibility of a huge surge is looming, and will happen unless the vaccination rate accelerates. The emphasis for the US is in the US.
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    #4

    Jul 29, 2021, 09:39 AM
    You'll be forever chasing your tail . The Delta ravaged India and other nations well before it came here . Vaccine protection remains very strong against severe disease and hospitalizations. But evidence is mounting that the Delta variant is capable of infecting fully vaccinated people at a greater rate than previous versions, and concerns have been raised that they may even spread the virus. You know this is true . Why would they not exclude the vaccinated from the mask mandates if vaxed people can't get it ?
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    #5

    Jul 29, 2021, 04:00 PM
    The virus doesn't discriminate, what vaccination does is lessen the chances you will die from it
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    Jul 29, 2021, 04:05 PM
    what vaccination does is lessen the chances you will die from it
    That's true, but it's also true that the vaccines are very effective in preventing Covid. Not 100% by any means, but still very effective.
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    #7

    Jul 29, 2021, 07:09 PM
    It doesn't prevent it with all variants, who knows with your attitude you might have it now
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    #8

    Jul 29, 2021, 07:25 PM
    Very few things work all the time.
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    Jul 29, 2021, 08:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Very few things work all the time.
    So let's make sure things don't work all the time.
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    Jul 29, 2021, 09:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You'll be forever chasing your tail . The Delta ravaged India and other nations well before it came here . Vaccine protection remains very strong against severe disease and hospitalizations. But evidence is mounting that the Delta variant is capable of infecting fully vaccinated people at a greater rate than previous versions, and concerns have been raised that they may even spread the virus. You know this is true . Why would they not exclude the vaccinated from the mask mandates if vaxed people can't get it ?
    You're complicating something that is very simple.

    GET VACCINATED AND SAVE LIVES AND DEFEAT THE COVID EPIDEMIC IN THE US.

    The vaccines are not the problem. The problem is those who won't get vaccinated. Republicans are the largest group refusing vaccination. They are politicizing a deadly disease that should never be politicized.

    Masks are required because the unvaccinated can't be trusted to not wear them. The arguments about liberty and freedom are total nonsense. The non-vaccinated do NOT have the freedom to injure and possibly kill others.
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    Jul 30, 2021, 03:52 AM
    Since the vaccine seems to be effective, then the only people the non-vaxed are putting at risk are others who are non-vaxed. So if they choose to not take the vaccine, how is that anyone's business but their own?

    I would encourage anyone over forty to take the vaccine, but I would not support the government forcing people to take it.
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    #12

    Jul 30, 2021, 04:17 AM
    You're complicating something that is very simple.
    No i am being a realist ;and the science backs that up

    The coronavirus is here to stay — here’s what that means (nature.com)


    From pandemic to endemic: COVID-19 could be around forever, professor says | CBS 17



    Here's the good news . As more people get it ; herd immunity kicks in and it will become a less potent illness.
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    #13

    Jul 30, 2021, 04:33 AM
    Tom has a good point. This is something we are going to have to learn to live with. Already the death rate for infected people is much lower as more is learned about how to manage treatment. For otherwise healthy people under forty, the death rate is very, very low. In South Dakota, as has been already pointed out, the death rate has been zero for the past several weeks, so panicking would seem unwise. A great number of early deaths occurred in nursing homes and among the elderly, most of whom are now, I would think, vaccinated.

    The great danger we currently face is out of control government spending and fiscal policies.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...risk-estimator
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    #14

    Jul 30, 2021, 11:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    No i am being a realist ;and the science backs that up
    What the science backs up is GET THE DAMN VACCINE.
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    #15

    Jul 30, 2021, 08:21 PM
    Yes not the complete answer, but any port in a storm
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    #16

    Jul 31, 2021, 11:01 AM
    They are refusing because unfortunately they are extremely vulnerable and they believe everything negative thing which is said about the vaccines, no matter who produces them.

    There are a very few people who suffer side effects from the vaccine and I'm afraid that a very few have died but when we consider the millions upon millions worldwide who have had the vaccine and suffered absolutely no problems I believe those
    people who won't have the vaccine should realise that the possibility of dying from the vaccine are millions to one.
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    #17

    Jul 31, 2021, 11:54 AM
    and yet I know people who have had mRNA vaccines who have had horrible side effects ;both short term and long term. I know one person who received the DTP as a child who had to be put in a bath of ice to reduce the fever . I know another person who has suffered for over 2 years from side effects from the tetanus mRNA vaccine . Doctors quick conclusion is that it is all in their head.

    My point for a long time is that covid 19 as a coronavirus is going to be endemic and we will be dealing with new strains for some time . Some of the strains will be vaccine resistant . Delta may be one in that it doesn't protect against either infection or transmission. What the vaccine probably does is reduce the severity of the infection .
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    #18

    Jul 31, 2021, 12:52 PM
    DTP has a mRNA vaccine?
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    Jul 31, 2021, 01:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and yet I know people who have had mRNA vaccines who have had horrible side effects ;both short term and long term. I know one person who received the DTP as a child who had to be put in a bath of ice to reduce the fever . I know another person who has suffered for over 2 years from side effects from the tetanus mRNA vaccine . Doctors quick conclusion is that it is all in their head.
    So we should follow your anecdotes rather than the science? Gimme a break.

    My point for a long time is that covid 19 as a coronavirus is going to be endemic and we will be dealing with new strains for some time
    Your point is pointless! Everything you have said on these pages serves nothing but purely political purposes.

    The vaccine will enormously reduce the pandemic - that is not in dispute. So GET THE DAMN VACCINE and stop lobbying against it.

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