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paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 04:21 AM

The US has done it, we have done it what is the problem?

Not long ago Germany and Brazil got upset with the US now Indonesia is upset with Australia, Just what is the problem with spying?

Australia tried to tap Indonesian president's personal phone

Now Germany is a US ally a slightly closer relationship than Indonesia and Australia, but the reality is we need to know what these guys are thinking. Do I trust the Indonesians, reality is I don't, they marched into East Timor and West Papua; admittedly places that could offer token resistance, but they have a big population and, well who knows, finite resources and an immigration policy that is definitely not in our interests, so I don't trust them and nor should my government

smoothy · Nov 18, 2013, 09:21 AM

Its all cHest beating and bloviating.

Like a car thief screaming bloody murder after someone steals a car off them they just stole off someone else.

Everyone thats got the capacity to do it...does it. Thats how they know who they can trust and who they can't.

Ronald Regan said it well....trust but verify. Thats how you verify.

paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 02:36 PM

Well of course, all countries do information gathering by tapping the phones of the President, I'll bet BO has some interesting conversations

smoothy · Nov 18, 2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Well of course, all countries do information gathering by tapping the phones of the President, I'll bet BO has some interesting conversations

I don't think BO is smart enough to have interesting conversations... he preffer monologs... because I think he believes himself to be above and better than the average person. And its benieth him to accept advice or anything from anyone smarter than he on any given subject... ever notice how unqualified everyone he surrounds himself with is as opposed to previous presidents?

paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 03:11 PM

It is just so hard to get good help these days, what I find interesting is that these activities the Indonesians are upset about would have been done on Kevin Rudd's watch as Prime Minister, so no surprises there and apparently we were helping the americans spy on Indonesia, so guilty by association

This is what we get for having a media that is allowed to run off at the mouth, they have caused a number of difficulties in our relationship with Indonesia

smoothy · Nov 18, 2013, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It is just so hard to get good help these days, what I find interesting is that these activities the Indonesians are upset about would have been done on Kevin Rudd's watch as Prime Minister, so no surprises there and apparently we were helping the americans spy on Indonesia, so guilty by association

this is what we get for having a media that is allowed to run off at the mouth, they have caused a number of difficulties in our relationship with Indonesia

Indonesia without any doubts does as much of it as they can afford or have the resources to do themselves...

Like the kid blaming his little brother for eating the chocolate cake mom just baked... when they themselves are the one that has chocolate icing all over their face and hands.

This has been going on since before recorded history....

paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Indonesia without any doubts does as much of it as they can afford or have the resources to do themselves...

Like the kid blaming his little brother for eating the chocolate cake mom just baked... when they themselves are the one that has chocolate icing all over their face and hands.

This has been going on since before recorded history....

No, there is a wider agenda here, Australia is highly critical of Indonesia allowing people smugglers to use Indonesia as a base, of Indonesia allowing refugees to transit through Indonesia, of Indonesian nationals profiting from the sale of unseaworthy boats, of Indonesian police and military profiting from the trade, of Indonesian practices in Abattoirs, so now Indonesia has some dirt they can use as leverage, courtesy by the way of a certain US national named Snowden. This is just the latest round in the fall out from whistleblowing on survellience. This trade through Indonesia costs us $1.5 billion a year. The US has their ways and so do we

smoothy · Nov 18, 2013, 06:26 PM

If you can arrange for Snowden to get gang raped by a crowd of burly Russian gay men... we would be eternally grateful.

paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

If you can arrange for Snowden to get gang raped by a crowd of burly Russian gay men... we would be eternally grateful.

Sorry don't know any Russians, gay or otherwise, can't you just send some american gays after all you have more than enough?

I don't wish him any ill, I would just like people like him to consider the implications before
Releasing information on affairs that don't concern them

smoothy · Nov 18, 2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Sorry don't know any Russians, gay or otherwise, can't you just send some american gays afterall you have more than enough?

I don't wish him any ill, I would just like people like him to consider the implications before
realising information on affairs that don't concern them

Well I don't know ANY people in Russia right now... and that's where they would have to be...

He had his dance... now its time to pay the piper...

paraclete · Nov 18, 2013, 09:07 PM

As I said before everyone does it

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Just don't get caught

paraclete · Nov 19, 2013, 04:12 PM

The storm in a teacup has reached cyclonic proportions

Indonesian police and immigration departments prepare to stop cooperation with Australia

It would seem that this gets to severing of relations, and over an event perpetrated by a former government of a different persuasion, a government led by a meglomaniac. Now I know it is difficult to explain that. How do you say it wasn't us? And by the way we don't share their views? It seems that the KRUDD continues.

There is no doubt Indonesia is being prescious about this, but who was the Dlckhead who tapped the President's phone? Surely there are guidelines, procedures, approvals? If a newspaper could get its comeuppance over phone hacking so can a government

paraclete · Nov 22, 2013, 04:45 AM

The Indonesians have now decided to kick an own goal and restrict beef imports from Australia, all I can say is good luck with that

paraclete · Nov 26, 2013, 02:12 PM

don't know if you have been following this but now spys and politicians are expected to have a code of ethics, never been found to be binding yet

PM must agree to spy 'code of ethics'

all I can say is this is another fine mess you have gotten us into, this is linked to the allegations we were spying for the americans in Indonesia, we should take another page out of your pay book, its time for some gunboat diplomacy, a flyby in Jakata by some F18

This also includes Singapore and South Korea, I'm curious why are the americans, the worst violators of national soveriegnty, excluded?

paraclete · Dec 1, 2013, 08:53 PM

You see there isn't a problem

It's all just normal, a pact between friends and it's only metadata anyway

Greens call for answers over claims Australian spies offered to share citizen data - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Does anyone get the idea they don't trust us. the US doesn't trust it's own citizens, it doesn't trust world leaders, and of course, guess which little donkeys are along for the ride

paraclete · Dec 3, 2013, 01:00 AM

This certainly indicates there is a problem, a problem of crediability, the Gestapo is loose again

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-0...g-case/5132486